Monday, July 23, 2012

10 Reasons Why The Dark Knight Rises Suck

Warning: Spoiler ahead. If you have not watched the movie, please refrain yourself from reading this blog entry. 

All those photography talk and image loading from the past few entries must have been pretty heavy, so lets take a pause for a bit, and talk about some other stuff, like that new sexy batman movie that everyone is raving about at the moment. 

I watched The Dark Knight Rises earlier this evening, and I must say, I have not been more disappointed by what Christopher Nolan have come up with thus far. Do not get me wrong, I was a huge fan of his, I love his work especially on The Prestige and Inception. I cannot say the same for The Dark Knight Rises. 

Before I go on with my reasons why The Dark Knight Rises suck, please bear in mind that I am a Batman fanboy, and I am practically obsessed (I admit this shamelessly) with both the Batman and Bruce Wayne characters. I grew up watching Batman the Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, read some of the comics (obviously there is too many to even follow) and have watched almost all movies there ever was created for Batman. 





Here are the reasons why I think The Dark Knight Rises suck:

1) Batman would never abandon Gotham for 8 years. 
Never. Even when he is old, walking with the stick, having heavy medications every single day, he still trains a future batman (Batman Beyond, Terry Mcginnis) and actively watches over Gotham, paying attention to every single detail on things happening. There will be times when he even choses to don the cape and cowl to fight, if the necessity arises. The opening of the movie having Batman deserting Gotham was a bad, bad move. Gotham is EVERYTHING to Batman. 

2) Batman always stays on top of his health, and never neglect his well being. 
Bruce Wayne or Batman will do all he can to stay in the best shape he can be. Not waiting 8 years walking on a stick and after that stick was being kicked off by a woman only then he sought medical attention and miraculously returned to fighting condition of Batman. 

3) Batman is the world's greatest detective, and knows the strengths and weaknesses of his opponents, even before going face to face with them. 
Knowing the superior strength and fighting skills that Bane had, why was Batman not more prepared to go into battle with Bane? Obviously he must not have underestimated Bane. Where were his contingency plans? Batman always has Plan B, and if direct physical attack does not work, he will use other means to boost his fighting advantage. Batman can take down Superman if he wants to. In the Dark Knight Rises, Batman charging Bane blindly without much planning or strategy seemed careless and stupid. No wonder he lost the fight. 

4) Batman was such a sissy he could not finish off Bane even in the second fight and it was catwoman who came to the rescue and blasted Bane off with the guns from the BatPod. Seriously? 

5) Alfred would never leave Bruce, no matter how difficult things are. 
Not in this movie. He left Bruce, in times when Bruce needed him the most. Only to come back crying and said to the tombstone "I failed you!!". Duh, yes you did. 

6) Bruce Wayne should have treated Alfred with more respect. 
After all that Alfred has sacrificed for him, since birth, till the days he left, Alfred still patiently awaited his return. During that heart to heart talk between Bruce and Alfred, it was very ignorant and selfish of Bruce to brush Alfred aside of all he has done. 

7) How the hell did Batman survive a nuclear explosion??? 
Maybe Green Lantern or Superman zoomed in last minute, they did not say. 

8) A Batman memorial statue. really? 
I can understand why Superman gets a huge statue, but Batman????? Why would be need a statue for. Batman works, because he strikes fear in the heart of his enemies, and whoever that crosses his paths. It was that fear and strong sense of justice that sustained the legend of Batman in Gotham, as their watcher and protector. A statue is just so wrong. 

9) It seems like after Rachel's death, Batman has forgotten about his own parents' brutal murder in front of his eyes when he was just a young boy. 
All he could think about was his guilt and being miserable over the Rachel/Dent/Joker incident, which was already 8 years ago, yet he cannot let go of the past and obviously that affected everything around him, consequently losing his business, his health and his character as the Batman. One death, and Bruce took the plunge. Ironically it was the death of his parents when Bruce was young that drove him to become who he was, both being the successful Billionaire and the fearsome dark knight Batman. It seems that the death of Rachel overshadowed that, and reduced Bruce/Batman to nothingness, because there was nothing else to fight for. Not a very good twist to work with, especially when you need to find a reason for Batman to be a Batman. 

10) A Robin at the end of the movie? 
Just because you found out Batman's secret identity, just because Batman told you anyone can be a Batman, just because you found the Batcave, does not mean you can be a Batman. 

If you love Batman for who Batman truly is, I think you will hate this movie. Nolan's portrayal of Batman is shallow and very unconvincing. There is nothing in the character that Christian Bale played I find admirable, mostly annoying actually, particularly his voice. And worse, they have to match his already annoying voice with even more annoying voice of Bane. Are they trying to contest each other off on "who can mumble and create difficult to understand dialogues better?"

Batman is a lot more than what was shown in this movie, which did not do Batman justice at all.

Batman's determination was never wavered. Yet in the movie he gave up on people, his dreams, his wealth, and everything so easily.

Batman stays on top of things, predicting moves many steps ahead. Not in this movie, he just walked right into Bane's trap. And did not come prepared with backup plans.

It was not Bane that broke Bruce, but Rachel's death. That was just plain unnecessary. How can we have a hero watching over Gotham if he cannot even get over this incident?

I think I have said too much. I realize I might be getting a lot of hate comments for this, but I did my part, the truth must be shared. I love Batman, and I will never forgive what Christopher Nolan did to Batman. 


281 comments:

  1. Bruce Wayne gave him the GPS coordinate to the bat cave. :P

    And let the flame war begins! Haha.

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    1. Errm? The point you are trying to make? LOL. So far no flame. Weird, but interesting.

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    2. Wouldn't the GPS coordinate be: "behind the Wayne mansion"?

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    3. Wow this blog sucks... nothing more to say really... I only read the bold...and believe me... my eyes are hurting after having to roll them 10 times in a row...

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    4. Jon I hope your eyes rolled out of their sockets after that. Then you wont have to worry about reading another blog that sucks. Problem solved. Actually I can help you pluck them out of you want. Would be my pleasure.

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    5. I agree with almost everything. I think Nolan did a very good hob in the Dark night, but then he lost his mind or something here. I didnt like the dark night rises and you just articulated my thoughts. Well said imo.

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    6. I agree with almost everything. I think Nolan did a very good hob in the Dark night, but then he lost his mind or something here. I didnt like the dark night rises and you just articulated my thoughts. Well said imo.

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  2. About the explosion, he fixed the autopilot, remember? The engineers were working on it and they told Fox that Wayne has fixed it 3 months ago.

    And didn't Bane kill Batman once? :P

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    1. I'm pretty sure he never killed Batman but he did break his spine, turning him into a paraplegic.

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  3. The movie showed Batman still in the copter seconds before explosion.

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    1. It shows Batman's face, not necessarily in the copter. Pay attention to his eyes and head movement, it follows the copter heading out towards the ocean.

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    2. Robin Wong, take note.

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    3. Note taken. Still a lousy excuse. Unacceptable.

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  4. This movie was filled with horrible acting masked with unnecessary building bCkground music Bane was poorly masked, Catwoman was unnessecary and Robin should have taken the role of savior in the Bane final

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    1. Jacob,
      Agreed, it should have been Blake who was entrusted the Batpod with, and Blake who came back and saved batman. that would make more sense.

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    2. I think you are retarded in someway, by not liking anything in the film. Not even music. I want to see you as a director of a next batman.

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    3. Oh man Anon, you really nailed him to the wall with that one! The old "I'd like to see you make a better one" argument! Classic stuff! Too bad they don't allow for pinch hitters in political debates! You'd be rich!.....what are you, five?

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    4. More like four, or three. My five year old cousin can make a better logic than him.

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    5. Actually hes 22

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    6. @anonymous
      I think your "RETARDED"!!
      this was absolutely the worst batman movie ever made!! Its more of a 007 movie. Only even then it still would have sucked!! The plot was dizzying to say the least!! I need my money, and time back..
      wish I never seen it!!

      DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY, THIS MOVIE IS A DISATER!!

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  5. personally I didn't find the Dark Knight Rises as awesome as most people tweeted or mentioned. if it's a Robin movie, it's hell awesome, but for a Batman movie, not really. The character development on Batman is weak but strong for Robin.

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    1. Very true Yatz, if batman intended to leave behind a legacy at least pay more attention to the successor.

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    2. It would only be a strong Robin movie if they had used ANY of the Robin names or story lines already in existence. Who does this guy think he is rewriting Bob Kane? The Robin "twist" was a disrespect to who Robin is and to one of the greatest father-son relationships in comic book history.

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    3. Could not have agreed more, there were a few good Robins to choose from and this was what Nolan did to him. Sadness indeed.

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  6. Several of the things you are stating as negatives were actually in the comic books such as Bane broke Batman's back and the statue. I do agree that Batman wouldn't have abandoned Gotham City for 8 years and that Alfred wouldn't have left Bruce no matter how much he wanted him to quit being Batman.

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    1. Please leave a name when you comment next time, anonymous.
      I did not deny Bane broke batman's back, and I did not question that. But Nolan got it all wrong. Batman would not fight bane straight on without a well thought-out strategy. Bane, being a master-mind also wont give in and walk into Batman's plans easily. There should be a lot more going on before they both attacked each other physically, and Batman losing to Bane. In the Dark Knight Rises, Batman just went directly and hit Bane. Not a smart bat.

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    2. Actually if you read the comic bruce wayne only encountered bane once, and batman did not keep his body in full health. Batman let his obsession get the best of him and thats what bane used against him, bruce hardly slept at all, and when he fought bane he didnt use his head, and clearly no one has read the dark knight returns because in that, bruce has been gone for a long time. Retired so to speak. If you actually did research instead of thinking that you know batman, youd know better. I bet you didnt even know batman used the venom drug on himself.

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    3. And i can think of a storyline where alfred left bruce as well, tim drake had to get him to come back. John blake is a mixture of tim drake and himself.

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    4. Agreed, I did not read all the comics. But if you have done your research at all, you will find Batman had multiple encounters with Bane not just one. And that was not just limited to comic, but further extensions through animation series and movies.

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    5. I was talking about just the knightfall saga. He never faced bane again until a different storyline.
      In one instance bruce had left and superman donned the cowl and bane tried to kill him not knowing it was superman.

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    6. HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THAT FILM??? BATMAN DOES DEFEAT BANE BUT GETS STABBED, HE USES A BRACE ON HIS LEG TO WALK AND E FIXED THE AUTO PILIOT SO WHEN IT EXPLODID HE WAS PROBERLY WALKING AWAY AND LEAVING GOTHAM, WHY BE BATMAN WHEN THERE IS NO CRIME> YOU READ DARL KNIGHT RETURNS AT ALL??? HE LEAVES WHEN GOTHAM IS FUCKED AND YET IN THE HE LEAVES WHEN GOTHAM IS A OKAY, SO NEXT TIME ATLEAST KNOW HAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU POST SOME BULLSHIT

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    7. Choosing to comment with a proper name, using all caps, and harsh languages, sorry, no one is going to take your words seriously. You are sadly, ignored.

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    8. No one takes these opinions seriously, yours as well. We don't need to identify ourselves and ALL CAPS is perfectly fine and made their statement easier to read in my cases. Harsh language...come on, it's just how people talk.

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    9. I take my readers seriously, because I want them to take what I say seriously too. I do not need you to identify yourself, just give a nick so that I can trace back what you said. In case you have already said something so I can have a clearer picture of your story, or I do not have to repeat myself to you if I have already said something.
      ALL CAPS is perfectly unacceptable in all sorts of Internet communication.
      Harsh language? You talk like that, but I don't. Get used to it.

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  7. just thought i'll add on to some points you raised:

    1) Batman didn't exactly abandon Gotham. At the end of The Dark Knight, Harvey Dent was martyred and acted as the catalyst for The Dent Act, effectively solving most of the corruption that paralysed Gotham. Symbolically, the destruction of the Bat Signal meant that Gotham did not need Batman anymore, for the time being, and Batman, not wanting to halt the momentum that Harvey Dent's death created, sacrificed himself and his good name and stayed low. And it worked - Gotham was relatively safe until the events brought about by Bane.

    2) The fact that Batman could have shot an arrow past Catwoman's face and hit bullseye kinda suggests that he might still have kept himself training in some aspects. Also, the cure for his leg wasn't with the hospital, but rather within his of arsenal of technological devices? (he went to the hospital only under guise so that he could visit Gordon)

    3) Think he did not count on being sold out by Catwoman and trapped - his intention, I believe, was to scout and gather intel, and not engage. Cornered, he had no choice but to fight desperate. This probably suggested his seemingly misplaced trust in Catwoman. Sometimes it paid off, other times it was misguided. But I feel it displayed the complex dynamics between Catwoman and Batman, that his one weakness was trusting her.

    4) Believe Bane to be one of the most challenging foes to combat physically so far.

    5,6) Agreed, Alfred is somewhat different in character. Perhaps to accentuate the dire straits of Batman that he had to struggle through so much to find his way back to Gotham.

    7) This is one of the more blatant twists in the movie, and actually bears alot more thinking. Fox asks Batman how does the Batplane fly, to which he replied 'pretty good even without autopilot', establishing that there is no autopilot. Then in the aftermath, Fox discovers that Batman patched the software to include autopilot. Kind of a cheap shot, felt abit lazy to me.

    9) Obviously for the ladies. When you make something into a blockbuster, you have to have something for the ladies. But I doubt this was the reason why Bruce Wayne collapsed (reference point 1 - it was the loss of something he worked to build - Batman, which drove him to desolation, I believe? And also the need for Batman which rejuvenated him once again).

    10) Very interesting to bring in Robin at the end of the trilogy. Anyone's guess what are they going to do with it now. Didn't Robin temporarily assume Batman's mantle in the comics too?

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    1. hey Aidan !! Always glad to hear your input and insight. Thanks for sharing them.

      I do agree with most of the things you say. Nothing much to add on really. There are too many "that could have been"s and "if you look at it this way"s argument, but one thing is clear, the portrayal of Batman and Bruce Wayne were weak. The plot could have been a lot better, without placing too many flaws on Batman.

      Looking at how large the character Batman is, I do not think it would be easy for anyone to truly make a good movie out of it. That was what happened with Superman Returns. Fans already have many expectations and assumptions on what they want in the movie.

      I am not saying that The Dark Knight Rises should please the batman fans (boy you should not get them pissed either way) but diverting too far away from what the original Batman is, sort of defeats the purpose of making the movie in the first place to tell the story about Batman.

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    2. I disagree completely, he is essentially praising the biggest piece of shit ever made. Sorry guy but no matter how much you try to bullshit with circular logic and other nonsense to justify the shityness of this movie, it won't make a difference.

      This was the biggest raping of The Batman franchise I have ever witnessed.

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    3. I AM SORRY WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANY OF YOU DIRECTED AND PRODUCED A HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER OH WAIT YOU HAVENT SO SHUT THE FUK UP AN LEAVE IT TO ROBERT EGBURT AND THE REST OF THE WORLDS CRITICS NOT JUST SOME DIPSHITS WHO THINK THEY HAVE FOUND THE PROS AND CONS OF A FILM

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    4. You do not need to be a chef to tell that a slice of steak is bad. You do not pick up a shirt because you think that the fashion designer would say it is a good.
      Same thing here, you do not need to be a director of a movie to tell that a movie is bad.

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  8. I just got done watching this movie and felt a little like you. It was good, but it was just nowhere near as good as it could and should have been, and I left feeling dissappointed with it. I personally thought catwoman was no real villain at all in this movie, and Tahlia Al Ghul was completely unnecessary. I also disliked the ending immensely (bomb explosion, Bruce Wayne dead, Alfred crying, Alfred seeing Bruce and Selyna as a couple, and then Blake becoming Robin). I just thought this movie wasn't very well thought out. The way the last one ended, it would have been so much better to have had Bane as just a gang leader stirring up trouble (and maybe still as the main baddy), included the Penguin as a ganster trying to rebuild the mob, the Riddler trying to figure out and then expose who Batman really is, and then to have had Catwoman as the love interest (but with some hate as well, which was lacking from this film). Even if what was in this movie came directly from the comics, I think they could have done better. Even the theme was off in this movie. In the last two, Batman was all about trying to show and convince the good people of the city to rise up so that they'd not need someone like Batman. In this movie, they totally abandoned that theme in exchange for an ending that makes it clear that Gotham will always need someone like Batman because they can't take care of things for themselves. This movie should have ended with Bane breaking Batman's back and the good people standing up to help Batman and defeat Bane (to Bane's surprise). That would have been so much better, and would have proven Bruce Wayne's thoughts about the people to be true. Instead, he thought wrong and the torch had to be passed to another savior. Lame, even if a bit real.

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    1. Hey Brandon,
      Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I do agree on the few things you have raised up. Talia Al Ghul was indeed a character which did not fit very nicely into the plot, it was rushed, and the movie could have been better without her. There was not enough time for the impact to sink in, and her presence just reduced the existence and importance of Bane into complete worthlessness.
      You were also right about not having Batman's love-hate relationship worked out in the movie. The dynamics between Batman and Catwoman was just not right, they have conflicts and disgreements with one another that was not explored in the movie, and trust did not just develop over a few brief encounters, but a long term partnership (though not official) in many occasions. Batman's misplaced trust was wrongly played out.
      I think Gotham will always need Batman, and that is what the movie is trying to say, and wont change. But at the same time Batman also believes in the good of people, hence he was willing to fight for them. However, saying that anyone can be Batman was a bit far fetched. Batman is Batman, no one can replace him, not even Robin or Nightwing.

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  9. Go get 'em Robin! ("Robin" Hmmm coincidence? I think not!)

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    1. Lorenzo, LOL, funny but yeah. Since I am Robin I do have something to say, right?

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  10. A dreadful pile of steaming dog turd rises from the ashes of a terrible script and meaningless violence.

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    1. That should have been the movie name, no? Please leave a name (nickname is fine) so that I can trace back the comments in case you comment again in the future.

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  11. batman and robinwong ^^


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  12. I just felt like I was watching "Inception 2". Nolan hired all the same actors and the music was similar. That alone drove me nuts. The chase scene after the stock exchange... Didn't anyone noticed opening bell, then the chase went from day to night? It sucked for that reason. Nolan should of cast new actors he's never worked with.

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  13. I saw the film at 3 am with my brother since all the midnight showings in imax near my area were sold out. I went in like most awaiting an awesome experience. I should mention im a comics fan and love spidey and batsy as my two fav characters in respective companies.
    Now, my bro and i agreed when we stepped out that this film suffered from "spider-man 3" syndrome. Where the director knew what people wanted and gives quantity over quality in terms of characters, plot, and overall experiences. I didnt know what to keep track of and in the end i was left going "oh yea..." And "so THATS why they said that..." In many of the twists. Oh, and the multiple twists just seem forced so people hav a bigger sense that they just saw sumtin' worthwile. And bane was literally inaudible in a few of his lines... Ridicolous. Throwing robin at the end felt cheap and swapping talias origin with banes really pissed me off. Lastly, i know Nolan based the trilogy in reality so i get why bane didnt go all huge but that... Just sucked, im sorry. He should have gone with penguin (great origin) or hell, mr. Freeze if u have him shoot a freeze ray or sumtin. if hes lookin fer a "real" character. Not one who's most memorable qualities are his giant brain and GINORMOUS venom-infused body.

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    1. hey Juan,
      I felt absolutely the same with you. The movie was aimed at a normal audience who may not know batman's character deep enough. A lot of the plot twists were so poorly executed, and made no sense. Making Bane so ordinary also felt cheap. Bane is bane, because he is huge and has superhuman strength. I guess making too much change is not really making the movie good in any sense. Some things are just not meant to be changed just so that they felt real. Nothing about the movie felt real if you asked me.

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  14. At first I felt like you. Then when re-watching the whole trilogy, it occurred to me that from the get-go, Nolan's goal was to ask "What if this were real?"

    -Under what circumstances could any of this even remotely be actually possible?

    They went on to completely re-imagine Batman from there. It is definitely NOT the Batman of the comics- and in terms of literary quality, complexity, richness, art and drama, it's actually way better than that.

    It captures all the best aspects about the comics Batman, and then reminds us: THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE REAL. There is no rest of the DC Universe, no Superman/etc., and all the comics stuff, compared to this, as much as I love it, is considered crap. Which I have to agree with for these purposes.

    1. This is not actually a story about Batman. It is a story about Gotham City. The few who love it and want to save it, despite its corruption, from those who want to destroy it or abuse it.

    2.A Batman could only ever be tolerated by any cops in a city as corrupt as Gotham.

    3. It would have to be a small team of cops, like the MCU, run by a guy like Jim Gordon.

    4. An actual human man could only ever do work as Batman for a few years before the brutalization on his body would almost cripple him.

    5. The only thing that would fix such corruption in such a short period of time are things like what went down in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight- especially in The Dark Knight. That quick of a turnaround is what made Batman (w/ Gordon & Dent) such a remarkable force for good.

    6. The only way to keep Dent's prosecutions from being given mistrials was for Batman to take the blame.

    7. Having done so, and SINCE IT WORKED, Bruce knew it was better for the city for Batman to disappear... his choices were to: A. clear his name, and go on fighting crime (which would overturn all Dent's prosecutions) B. To not clear his name, and fight mainly cops just to occasionally stop whatever petty crime still went on (way not worth it for a REALISTIC Batman against realistic cops) C. Lay low, and let the prosecution do its work.

    8. C. is clearly the best, most honorable, and most realistic option. No version of Batman would put cops at risk of being hurt by him just so he can keep stopping purse-snatchers. And a realistic Batman would now only ever come out again if the city SERIOUSLY needed him.

    9. However, Bruce w/out Batman or Rachel can't feel a sense of purpose or catharsis. He most certainly did not forget about his parents death, his loss of Rachel sent him back into a much deeper grief over them. Remember, the streets were clean- his sacrifice as Batman was a success. Job DONE.

    So since continuing as Batman could only hurt Gotham City, and since his actual human body was beaten to shit already, being Batman was not an option, so he had no outlet to deal with his grief about the fact that four of the seven most important people in his life were murdered. You would become a recluse too, my friend.

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    1. There's Nolans biggest mistake, LMAO, actually asking himself if this was real. IT NOT REAL, IT NEVER WAS MEANT TO BE REAL! It's a comic and Batman is a super hero, this shit is entertaining because IT'S NOT REAL!

      So this dickhead Nolan Douchebag takes something like THE BATMAN and tries to make it real? That's why it failed horribly, if I wanted REAL I would watch the fucking news, I watch Batman to be entertained, not to have one of the baddest ass characters in Comic book history minimized to mere realistic scenarios.

      Also ignoring the fact that Nolan fucked this movie with all the bullshit scenarios, he also took 5 STAR actors and reduced them to low budget actors with shitty dialog, this shit pisses me off, thanks Nolan the DOUCHEBAG for fucking up Batman for me.

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    2. Wow, so much hate.
      But you do get your point across. Batman was fucked up by Nolan. Unforgivable. Simply unforgivable.

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    3. I love your responses. If someone disagrees with you, he/she is making excuses for Nolan. If someone agrees with you, no matter how retarded they seem, you praise them. I personally feel that you just didn't get what you wanted from the movie. I love Batman as a character and felt the movies were amazing.

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    10. But if Gotham's need were strong enough, and being Batman actually could to do some good, he was more than willing to return to the streets to help.

    Having cause to return to the streets was a big psychological help to Bruce. Don't forget what an absolutely massive tragedy The Dark Knight was. Now, at least the threat was bad enough that he could justify being Batman again (risking all of Dents prosecutions) to help himself out with that. It ultimately healed him. This idea was the essence of the whole movie.

    11. He came back like a middle-aged retired boxer coming out against the young champ.

    12. "Victory has defeated you!" Bane said, referring to the fact that Bruce's sacrifice of his body and reputation as Batman produced a peace-time, which made Bruce too weak now to fight a guy like Bane. Regardless of the fact that Bruce's skills were clearly not rusty, his middle-aged body just could not be there. "You fight like a younger man. Admirable, but, mistaken."

    13. Bruce hastily jumped right back into the game at first. It took the worst ass-kicking ever and several months of rehab in order for him to get his body back into the kind of shape needed to fight Bane.

    14. Plus, he needed to be motivated by an anger as big as the one he had when he started out; since organized crime was wiped out, he wasn't angry at it any more. It took something like Bane brutally attacking the city to get Bruce pissed enough to be as excellent of a Batman as he could be.

    15. That whole rehab/motivation process almost took too long, and if it weren't for the auto-pilot, would've cost Bruce his life or Gotham's destruction.

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    16. You saw Batman's face before the scene of the final seconds. We have no idea how long before the final seconds that scene actually took place. The movie is telling us it was long enough for him to get far enough from ground zero and far enough below water to survive in a nomex radiation-resistant combat survival suit for advanced infantry. That is certainly plausible.

    At around 300+ mph (speed of modern fastest helicopters is about 250mph, let's give him some Batman tech speed on top of that) so in only 10 seconds he could be about a mile away, and in a few more seconds, well below the water, while the arial explosion would propagate for the most part along the path of least resistance; parallel to the surface of the water.

    Regardless, however fast the Batplane needs to go for him to be protected enough w/in the spectrum of 1 minute to 10 seconds (however long before the final seconds it was that they showed us his face), that's the speed the movie is telling us the Batplane was travelling. I can't see any problem accepting that.

    18. "Robin" doesn't exist in this world, that was just a nod to the comics. Blake plays a similar role in Batman's life as Robin did, but the implication is just that he'll take over Batman's role either as the next Batman, or someone maybe named Nightwing, Robin, or a completely different name that we'll never know, b/c this is the last film in this story-line.

    As long as you're not ONLY looking for a fanboy fix, and want to see someone answer the question "What if Batman was REAL, and how could that ever ACTUALLY happen?" ...

    You might feel one day that the Nolan series is richer in every way than the Batman comics. More literary, more complex, more human, more dramatic, more thoughtful, better-written, better imagery, more emotionally powerful, and more realistic-- all serving to make the sensational Bat-cool moments even more amazing.

    To believe while watching that a real person is doing those things is what makes them truly awesome. That's why Batman's the coolest hero, and Nolan's goal was to heighten that sense of believability as much as possible.

    It took all those changes from the comic book tradition to accomplish that. What's remarkable is that he was able to do it while capturing enough of the characters' essences to make so many fanboys happy.

    The only reason this movie couldn't be as Bat-fan-perfect as The Dark Knight, is because Bruce continuing that level of Batman-ing would be laughably unrealistic. In reality, the cost to fix a city's corruption will always be tremendous personal sacrifice, leaving someone at least as beaten-up and heartbroken as Bruce was after his run-in w/ The Joker & mafia. The Batman of the comics might've kept right along, but we have to admit that's actually just cartoony nonsense. He especially wouldn't have kept along after having won the war, especially if all it would really do is force him to beat up good cops.

    Bruce was a human man, who by the end of TDK, had miraculously accomplished his job, at unimaginable personal cost.

    Ultimately, all this series is about is the motivation, requirements, price paid, and ultimate salvation accomplished in doing what Bruce did. He dealt with the whole sequence of problems; making sure there was a chance to turn the city around, then indeed stopping the crime and turning it around, and finally dealing with the retribution from that- the slow knife. Gotham is safe for the long haul, low-crime, & with a new watchful protector. Bruce's job is done.

    I'm a huge fanboy, and I've gotta say, this is the Batman I've always wanted to see- a real one.

    Hopefully you'll eventually love it for that. :)

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    1. A Real Batman? So explain how Bruce can simply put on a tech leg brace on and then proceed to kick a wall in with his bare foot? If he is completely falling apart as they make out then why the hell would he kick a wall with a bare foot, which would result in him braking possibly his ankle and his foot and therefore requiring him to rest that foot for 3-4 weeks!

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    2. A Real Batman? So explain how Bruce can simply put on a tech leg brace on and then proceed to kick a wall in with his bare foot? If he is completely falling apart as they make out then why the hell would he kick a wall with a bare foot, which would result in him braking possibly his ankle and his foot and therefore requiring him to rest that foot for 3-4 weeks!

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    3. Dear Huw Williams,
      That is Christopher Nolan's "realism" working. Not sure how he got everyone else under his spell, but I don't see anything real. Thank goodness you thought the same too.

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    4. The tumbler cant even function like the built it too, neither can the batpod, all the sliding and stuff, the gun he uses to short out the motorcycles would undoubtedly short out alot of other stuff, but we just accept the character has things to get the job done, its forgiveable

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    5. @Robin Huw & Anonymous- there are some *slightly unrealistic parts like kicking the wall, but again, it's old brick and the knee brace is an enhancile prosthetic- and even an aging skilled martial artist would have no problem kicking old brick, so that didn't really bother me...

      The tumblers they built actually DO perform very close to what we see on-screen, a lot of it was actually filmed (though of course not the leaping across rooftops... but C'MON, are we that picky?) In some action sequences, it's totally fine to be a little exaggerated, the primary realism is in the human dynamics and relationships, and the political challenge of fighting crime.

      If we're saying it all has to be FLAT OUT real, then we have to admit the entire concept of Batman is ridiculous, b/c of course he'd get shot. The Nolan films are as close to real as a Batman story can get.

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    6. @JRH

      But its meant to be a film based on a beloved comic book icon, why the hell does it have to be made even remotely realistic? If people want realistic why even watch a movie in the first place? Oh and am I the only person who thinks The Bat (facepalm)looked like a flying turtle more than a Bat, plus the propeller on the underneath looked like something from chitty chitty bang bang; I half expect Alfred to come back on played by Dick Van Dyke.

      And Kicking out old brick......his foot was exposed, if that thing made his leg 10 time more powerful (whatever), hes still a man at the end of the day, the force would have damaged his foot, his skin and bones didn't become any stronger. Mind you Bane punched through a wall I suppose we could say pain and adrenaline plus his strength could have done that but it this Nolan reality it shouldn't.

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    7. The Bat = Flying turtle !! Epic !
      Enough about the kick on the brick, haha, point taken, IT IS UNREALISTIC. No matter how we see it, if it takes sooooo much effort to convince people, its just not realistic, get it? If it is real, why do you have to convince people it is real?
      If the goal is to make Batman as believably human as he is, then what is the point? Seriously, just make a Bruce Wayne movie, without the cape and cowl.

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    8. The worst tech goof in the movie was the reactor/bomb. Any kind of nuclear tech spends years in licensing committees and the smallest functioning reactor I've ever heard of is the size of a school bus and is NOT built without half the damn country hearing about it. This damn thing was portable and needed less than a day of work from one man who'd never seen it before to become an honest to god bomb. Following up on the general ignorance of the script writers, who cares if that tech can produce nuclear weapons? The world already has thousands of nuclear weapons with more being made everyday, more people have died from coal mining then nuclear war heads Mr. Wayne. Nuclear weapons have killed about 220,000 people total in the history of the world, pocket knives have a higher kill count, roughly 50,000 people a year.

      The leap to freedom was a joke, anything like that a small child can do would NOT hold back an entire prison population for one day, much less hundreds of years. Hell they'd take rocks and beat hand holds into the walls if that's what it took to get out of there. I walked away from this movie feeling insulted and it was the one time in my life where I wanted the money back for a 5$ movie ticket.

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    9. Btw, Wayne did throw a rope down to the prisoners when he escaped? I swear I saw that and thought "why Bruce!?!" those guys deserved to be down there like murders, rapists....Nolan Fanboys, pretty sure goes against everything that we know Bruce Wayne stands for and also what we were made to believe through these films.

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    10. This dumb fuck JRH is trying to justify this puddle of spunk of a movie by saying that douchebag Nolan was going for realism but forgets that NOT ONE FUCKING THING in this movie could really happen. LMAO The reactor? JRH please go suck Nolans dick then kill yourself, you useless pathetic fucknut of a Nolan lacky.

      Bruce Waynes back is broken, and in a real world he can just heal himself, thats funny, perhaps Nolan can tell all the paraplegics in the world how Bruce Wayne REALISTICALLY fixed his own back.

      Please die, thx.

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    11. Batman should have been away for 8 years to allow his back to heal. Not willingly being away for 8 years with no reason.
      And a broken back, taking just few months to get over, and recover to full strength, was totally against "realism". Nothing feels real.

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  17. When a person finds that one comment is not enough, not even two, but had to push his opinion and thoughts out in three-part comment, it only shows that he has tried too hard to sell the story. No offense, but seriously, who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?
    You may want to use those contents in your own blog perhaps. I strongly believe there is nothing that I can say to change your mind, and likewise nothing you can say more that can change mine.

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    1. Very well said..=)
      anyway, i have not seen it yet because i was turned off by the characters made available in the third movie...
      After reading at a random page on the net that provided the spoiler i was not very happy to hear the inclusion of Talia al Ghul, so much more when i found out that Robin was introduced at the last part... LOL hearing these names felt like Nolan is trying to emulate Rocksteady's Arkham City game.. trying to pack a whole lot of characters in this final movie in the trilogy. This kind of thing will only work with video games. Haha Nolan should've just sticked with Bane, adding Talia spoiled Bane's character, LOL and as if people will make a big deal of her.. it's been a long time since the first one (Batman Begins), and i doubt a lot of people even paid attention to Ra's al Ghul.

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    2. @Robin
      ...I just wrote what I was thinking bro. Sorry it took up so much space, but this was a good forum you set up.

      All my points were factual, but that doesn't mean you have to like the movies. Did you like TDK? That was closer to the comics Batman.

      But Nolan's point was that such a thing could only be done for a short period of time-- so miraculously in that short period of time, Batman succeeded (b/c of the price he was willing to pay).

      Maybe you're just more interested in seeing the traditional comics Batman on screen, instead of Nolan's goal to try and portray it as realistically as the concept of Batman can really get- minor exceptions made for good action sequences.

      (Oh & btw, they didn't forget the utility belt at all, it's a major feature of the costume design and Batman used it many times throughout the trilogy, not sure why you thought they left it out- weird).

      I have no problem with anyone disliking the movie, wanting something else- but just b/c it's not what you want as a Bat-fan, doesn't mean it's bad movie-making. They're excellent films, with a completely different goal than portraying the Batman of the comics; making the world as real as possible while still allowing a person to be Batman. It's way more intelligent than anything the comics have produced so far.

      It's probably because you're a long-time fan that you didn't like it- looking for them to portray a more comics-world Batman- that was my reaction at first. But Nolan's exact point is that's he's impossible. So now I get it, and now I love it.

      So it's cool to say "I didn't like it" but not okay to say "It was objectively bad." They were exceptionally well-made as far as movie-making, and if you appreciate their goals, you can see they were achieved extremely well. That doesn't mean you have to like those goals.

      But if you're able to support those goals & watch the trilogy again, you might like it more. I'm just saying- that worked on me, especially b/c within that (primarily TDK) are some great classic Batman thrills. But what if Batman were real? How would he ever deal with the key plots presented in the comics? How could that ever happen reasonably? And at what cost?

      Cheers.

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    3. If Batman was real? I think Christopher Nolan will be in a lot of pain.

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    4. I imagine Batman having Nolan at choke-hold and scream the words in those grizzly bear tone "WHHYYY DIDDD YOU TURRRNN ME INTOO A SISSYY??? WHYYYYYYY?????"

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    5. JRH, I think your problem is that you have no idea what would be actually realistic. Just like Nolan.

      If Batman and Bane were real, they would shoulder clap each other to death. This is "Batman Rises" realism. If Batman is real missiles would keep casing helicopters. Knees would work despite beeing physical destroyed, missiles would evaporate trash in their way, but could not stop a track in one shot. And in a city of 12 million Americans no one would shot a psychopath like bane.

      What is next? Guns more dangerous than knives? ;-)

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  18. Hey bro,

    Long comments, but I'd like to put in my two cents as I tweeted 'Okay, this movie was okay-lah' after the movie, which for me shows it wasn't as awesome as I expected. Glad I have friends out there.. hahha...

    Anyway, like you, I am a long time Batman fan. Superman too =P Spiderman too.. Oh superheroes...

    Well, just what i thought about the movie:
    1) Batman fought like a sissy. His punches were weak, and he was surprisingly fragile. Cat women was so much better!!
    2) Batman identity slowly missing from his vehicles. I get the new vehicles are cool, but seriously.. no bat identity? They don't call it batman for no reason.
    3) Retire after the death of a girl? I thought he fought justice to avenge his parents (agree on your point).
    4) Remember his full of gadget yellow belt? Now it's like gone....How about the bat logo? Don't see it anywhere no more.
    5) How did batman survive a broken spine again? Shd get those guys in prison to treat others suffering from back pain.

    Well, i could go on, but to say the least... Batman is the one superhero I know which is actually human. He doesn't have super strength, and he is not an alien, or has been bitten by a super spider. He is a man, behind the bat mask, and to see him achieve many impossible things in this movie somewhat made me feel a lil cheated, and the deterioration of his gadgets from the 'bat element' is somewhat saddening.

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    1. I get what you mean Cyril, we are on the same page. Nolan should be punished for stripping away all the important elements that made Batman who Batman was. How could he neglect Batman's utility belt, that itself is a crime !!!!!

      Oh and your quote is damned epic: "How did batman survive a broken spine again? Shd get those guys in prison to treat others suffering from back pain.". Epic, super Epic.

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  19. Fanboys will always find a way to counter many points. What I really didn't get is, Why Batman would return to Gotham, and the first thing he'd do is set up firecrackers in the shape of his logo instead of rescuing people :P

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  20. Mr budd here!
    I was disappointed with the last batman movie. I was so pump up to see Tom hardy play bane. Yes he wasnt the super size bane we all know but Nolan was trying to make a realistic batman. I can accept and believe in a super strong leg brace that breaks wall over a super size bane who injects venom into himself. They could have done a better job on his voice. Make it like scary and strong like darthvader in star war. Cat women was alright. I was afraid I was going to hate her but she was ok. Acting was bad n it was super rushed. And the little jokes they throw in didn't even make me chuckle. And Nolan talked about how this was his last batman soo now we are getting another director to make robin movie or what?!?!? People start cheering with you heard robins name n I'm like for whattt who gives a crap about robin. It was strange Alfred not being there to help batman in his most time of need. This movie really left me with a sick feeling. Dark knight was so great n had great lines they joker left us n Nolan really did busy a spiderman 3 movie on us n it was crap. I tried soo hard to like this movie. These batman movie could have been the best superhero movie ever made. It gave a actor a Oscar. I thought this movie was going to nominated for best picture but it just sux.

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    1. Hello Budd,
      Thanks for agreeing and sharing your thoughts too. Indeed the movie could have been a lot better, and knowing Nolan's potential, I know that this movie could have been the best movie of the year, and its just sad to see how badly he changed what Batman is. Too many questionable changes which many cannot accept.

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  21. Sure a lot of interesting points and stories here. JRH has my votes but after reading some of the fan boys' points, I did wish Nolan is able to rectify it. Well, lets see the next director and his take on Batman.

    To be honest, as epic as TDKR is, I still prefer TDK.

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    1. TDK was way better. It didn't sway much from the original. My humble two cents.

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    2. Jason, for the first time, now I actually agree with you ahhaha. Seriously, never, ever ignore the fanboys. It is a wrong, wrong move, It was because of the fans that made Batman famous. Without the fans, Batman wont be a legend. Remember that !'

      Cyril,
      I agree to that too. TDK is better. Heath Ledger was superb.

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  22. can i just add that I was terribly disappointed with the film as well. I don't want to add the same points, but I just hated how people (The general public) did not react the way other normal human beings would. I know people wouldn't be partying after what is clearly a terrorist attack. How about the phalanx of police officers. NO OFFICER IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would attack a line of goons with AK-47s in a phalanx formation. I can go on, but this bugged me to no end. Nolan = Fail

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    1. Thanks Dino.
      Nolan = Fail indeed. He tried to inject realism, but he did not realize it was just a movie, and people can easily point out all his flaws.

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  23. I saw the movie and it was so damn stupid and full of holes I couldn't believe it was released. Cat woman was a joke. Ann Hathaway sucked. She couldn't fight worth sh**. What were they thinking? Man this movie was beyond absurd. Nolan just made everything happen just to get to the end. As they say, the ends justifies the means. What a waste of goddamn time.
    And how did cat woman know how to use the damn bat bike? And when Bruce escaped the prison who he hell got him back to gotham? He was cleaned shaven and met kitty on the bridge just like that. Hmm.

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    1. Maybe Catwoman read the manual!! Maybe Bruce bumped into Clark Kent and Clark flew him to Gotham. LOL. Realism my ass Nolan. The more you think about it the more the movie seems so forced and unreal.

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    2. Why do you need to see him get on a plane and fly back to Gotham, shower, and shave? You get the idea...well I hope you do.

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    3. Unknown number of months have past in the movie. Do we need to put in this minor detail...come on. Use your common sense. Bruce Wayne escaped the prison, found a way to get back to Gotham, maybe stowed away in a plane, like he did in Batman Begins.

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    4. If we need to imagine all the small things and fill in the blanks, then why even bother making a movie? Oh Superman flew in, so why show all the cool CGI of his flying in the air? We can all assume he got here because we know he could fly. It is those tiny details, and the attention paid to them that made the movie work. Unfortunately, that is lacking in the movie, hence it has become very messy.

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  24. I saw the movie and I felt it was an embarrassement to the DC character. The ending of the movie was poor. Bruce Wayne dies but then the character is seen eating lunch in an Italian restaurant. If Steve Jobs suddenly showed up in an Italian restaurant today do you think that someone would take note. Bruce Wayne is one of the top 5 wealthiest men in the DC fantasy world. His face would easily be recognized globally. Most of the movie pissed me off and I felt it was the weakest of the trio.

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    1. Agreed. That is why I think Nolan's portrayal of Bruce Wayne was bad, very very bad. You have a good point there, Bruce Wayne, EVERYONE everywhere knows who Bruce is !!

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  25. Robin, I haven't seen the movie, and probably won't for several months. I did want to let you know that I thought your opening graphic (2008 vs. 2012) is absolutely hilarious! Thanks!

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    1. Thanks gregg !! I found the image in one of the FB memes, I thought it is fitting for what I have written in this blog post.

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  26. Incorrect sir:

    1) In this version he did. I'd like to remind readers that this is one interpretation of batman, and in this case he checked out for a while. Batman's not real, and though I'm not an avid comic reader my any means, I've seen a few where batman does some cutesy, out-of-character stuff. it was dumb, but nobody called a foul, which leads me to believe that this point is focused on the fact that this is a movie instead of a comic, and which means that the REAL FANS will always find something to bitch about. lame.

    2) Again, batman's not real, and this is one interpretation. There's diversity in batman's character in the comics, right? Worse, the writer missed the part when batman got those leg enhancers. If you're gonna complain, at least pay attention.

    3) Yeah, I get it. But as this is the Nolan Batman's greatest battle, it makes sense that he had trouble. Consider that batman is used to kicking the shit out of anyone and everyone. Bane is supposed to be inhumanly strong. The greatest challenge was fighting the only member of the league of shadows more hardcore than him. Besides, he was out of the game for 8 years.

    4) ...agreed, that was pretty dumb.

    5) he left him as a statement. "Look, you're gonna die, and the only thing I can think to do to shake you up is to leave you, something neither of us want. maybe then you'll see that you're being suicidal." indeed, it wasn't until the whole pit scene that batman realized that his fear of death/love of life could be an addition to his strength. this is proven when he makes it out of the pit by being afraid to die.

    6) alfred hid a note from wayne's dead childhood love for 8 years, during which he believed she had chosen him. I don't think anyone wouldn't be pretty pissed off. Alfred's sort of a father figure, and everyone's been unnecessarily shitty to their parents here and there.

    7) He's Batman.

    8) Memorial statues aren't for the people who acted as heroes. they're to inspire and remind everyone else of what the heroes did so that that they themselves may find the courage to tap into whatever potential they have. if you can understand why superman was GIVEN a statue by the people, then it's not too hard to imagine why batman would be GIVEN a statue by the people. not a big mental stretch...

    9) Rachel, if anything, was a reminder of his past, one of the last (formerly) living connections to his parents/past. Wayne trained his ass off, gave up all pleasures, and buried himself in knowledge so that he could protect the city his parents helped build and those he cared about. He went to levels no one else dreamed of. And yet, all of his strength was not enough to protect 1 of 2 people he loved. Not only that, but for all the services he provided gotham, he had to take the blame for something he not only didn't do, but should have been praised for. It's a pretty harsh downer.

    10) CLEARLY, wayne lead JGL to the batcave because he saw that the dude was an honorable, hardcore motherfucker. His name is Robin, and he'll continue to be the protector, not ACTUALLY ROBIN FROM THE COMICS. Again, this is a different interpretation, and if you think about it, it's pretty cool. Batman figured he finally gave enough, and needed to find someone to replace him. Who better than the cop who survived gotham's purge, while messing with bane's plan behind the scene, french resistance style?

    The issue here is that the writer has this idea of batman, and thinks he's an expert on human nature because he reads comic books. His lack of understanding for how hard some of life's falls can be is translated in his explanation of a batman who is so hardcore that NOTHING fazes him. If you want a superhero who never gets hurt, then go watch superman. Batman's human, and we can relate to him because he falls like we do. BUT, we are inspired by him because he shows us that we can get back up again. b'duh

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    1. Nigg,
      There will always be ways to counter an argument, and there is no point for me to convince you otherwise. You have stated your opinions, so have I.
      You say Batman can get hurt, yet you agreed to point 7 that he can survive an explosion.
      You said Batman is not real. So why the hell make something real out of him? Is that not contradicting the realism notion?
      Rachel is the past. And not being able to move on means that Batman has given up on everything he has worked for.
      Batman does not need a statue. He was not meant to be admired. He was not meant to inspire people. That is a job for Superman. Batman works because of the "urban legend" he created.
      Batman gave enough? Protecting Gotham is a job that he wont just leave behind.

      The issue here is not me not knowing Batman. The issue here is me NOT liking the Batman that Nolan portrayed. And another issue here is you referring me as "the writer". Please have some decency to address me by name.

      Why should we be inspired by Batman? He is the hero that Gotham deserves, Nolan has put that so right in the second movie The Dark Knight, not the hero Gotham needs. People do not need to love Batman. They don't have to idolize him. He is a symbol of justice, all people need to see is the bright bat-symbol projected into the sky at night. That itself, is the symbol of Batman. Shining the signal out every single night would have meant a lot more than just a stupid statue that means nothing.

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  27. Op has never really read a single issue of detective comics

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    1. Firstly, please address the blogger by name. OP is not a term people understand here. I do not even know what OP is. Nor do I care.
      Secondly, I admit I do not read most of the comics, but seriously, enough to tell that Nolan's version of Batman sucks.

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  28. It disappointed me at every turn. Beyond the script, the characters were watered down, ruined by the want and need to make the story fit, the action was lacking, padded out with way to much talking and pointless attempts at building a story. Bane was RUINED. Batman went from being the worlds greatest detective to being a brawler, a brainless one at that. Catwoman had a decent enough showing, even though she was never named as Catwoman and only as Selina Kyle. As for the rest of the cast, they barely made an impact and are easy to forget, much like the first movie. I know people are praising it as a masterpiece but Im sorry to say, your wrong. If you know ANYTHING about the Batman universe you should be up in arms about the characters alone. Not to mention the way the raped the story, turning strong characters into sniveling wimps and ruining decades of character building. The forced attempts to fit new characters into the extent the story is pitiful and the run til of nearly 3 hours was far to much. A better story could have been told in under 2 hours and has been done in the animated movies and the tv series. The only redeeming factor was the appearance of Scare Crow who was the only character who maintained any dignity and resemblance to the original character. The story is another matter, it feels like it had very important pages ripped out and disregarded during the process of making it and feel patched together at times, actually, most of the time. Important points are skimmed over, with short backstories thrown in to try and make sense of the mess we were given. The overall premise of the movie rest on a barely explained plot point which could have been done without and with any thought could be thrown aside and replaced with a more insightful plot device. Their attempts to wrap the story up in a nice neat bow are laughable and ridiculous and without spoilers (though the whole movie is a fucking spoiler) could have been done without in the end. Batman is a ridiculous moronic hero in this movie, 8 years out of action is no reason to make insanely stupid decisions and choices. Christian Bale is a terrible Batman and makes me want for the days of the nippled batsuits and batcredit card. His over-the-top voice "acting" is laughable and often inaudible. Speaking of which, the sound quality is insultingly bad, with entire conversations reduced to muttered noise on screen, and not only by Bane, who is often the only one you can totally understand due to the dubbed in voice over. And for a guy whos backstory puts him in a Caribbean backdrop he has a very strong English twang. In the end, I want my 3 hours back (trailers included). Its been a long time since I walked out of a movie feeling worse off then when I went in, and Ive seen The Decent 2.
    I also remember for a very LONG time Batman was hunted by the police, classified as a vigilante and there were even task forces set up to chase and capture him. Harvey Bullock's main goal in the cartoons was to catch him, so why did Batman decide it wasnt worth keeping doing the right thing, keeping Gotham safe because "Oh no, people dont like me so I'll hide in my house, let my parents company fall apart and whine over a dead girl." He didnt get that depressed when his parents were MURDERED IN FRONT OF HIS EYES!
    I agree with every point you make, and considering I could add 10 more I think you did a great job of covering the main issues.

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    1. Hello Dave,
      Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts !! I agree with all your points, and I must say you hit the nail on the head with just one sentence: "Not to mention the way they raped the story, turning strong characters into sniveling wimps and ruining decades of character building."
      Seriously that is the single biggest sin committed in the movie, and that just destroyed everything.

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    2. Hey Robin.

      I loved your original article. What I posted here was basically a copy paste of what I wrote about 30 minutes after I got home after seeing the movie.
      I didnt go in expecting much, really only went to get out of the house and hit the pub after it. But after seeing the other two (barely remembering Begins) I kinda expected something, some sort of competent characters, plot and feel to the movie.
      I felt Bane wasnt even the character he should have been. You could simply have made him a pumped up henchman, the righthand man of a mysterious figure pulling the strings, because in the end, thats all he was. Making him a lackey was a horrible waste of potential and one of my favorite characters in the series.

      As you said Batman would never have left Gotham for 8 years. Not because of the death of one person, it took the death of both his parents to drive him to that.

      They turned Batman into a brainless brawler. He is obviously overpowered by Bane but continues to punch and kick like any idiot would. While Bane has a giant >punch me here< advert on his face. I'm pretty sure he accidentally figured out his weakness in the final fight to because he was going to town on hit body instead of his face, so infact he learned nothing.

      Also they clearly point out his joints are destroyed (i can kinda buy that) and he replaces his blown knee with a robotic joint which they show him using to kick a chunk out of a wall, (hes also wearing running shoes and probably broke his foot while doing so but anyway) but later on hes in the prison, even worse beaten then when he started, and hes jumping, climbing and training like his joints are 100%! That really bugged me. He should have had to use his brain to escape. You cant train your joints into having cartilage again, no matter how many sit ups you do.
      And even then, if you ignore ALL the plot holes, the uncharacteristic way all the characters acted, the wasted/pointless plot devices, the ridiculous patched together story, and you just enjoy the movie for an action movie with subtext, its still disappointing. It never drew me in. The action was lacking, the fights (what few there were) were boring. The action was forced and barely enjoyable.

      I could say SO much more about this movie, but I'd be repeating what I'd said before on Facebook (could probably just copy paste it all hehe) but in the end, the movie was underwhelming, the characters were a betrayal of (1) Nolans own character development over the last 2 movies (2) the characters they were based on to begin with, the plots was jarring and strung out to the point I'm sure they started adding to it to get the movie to run longer, the subplots wasted good characters and chances at advancing other aspects of the story and all in all was a total "fuck you" in the face of anyone who knows anything about these character, no matter the universe, the comicbook or the decades of development each and every one has gone through.

      Ive been more enthralled and sucked in by the one hour cartoon movies that are brought out every so often then I was with this one. Again, I wasnt expecting much but my god, disappointed beyond belief doesnt even cover it. If Nolan had come up to me, spit in my face and taken 10euro off me, I'd probably have felt better because at least he didnt lie to me this way.

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    3. Hello Dave,
      Thanks for elaborating further, and sharing your thoughts on the matter. You have a good point on the joint problems, how on earth did that get recovered by physical training, is beyond me. Perhaps our doctors do not know some things that Nolan did.
      the movie is underwhelming, that is a good word to fit it. He spent so much effort and great ideas in developing the characters as you have mentioned, through the previous two movies, and to watch them all fall apart and collapse in the third was utterly unsightly.
      I also can relate to you preferring animation movies. My current favourites are "Batman: year one" and "under the red hood". Those animation movies stayed true to the core of what a true Batman is, and the story-telling and action sequence were very much better organized.

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    4. Year one had me glued to my seat the entire time I had it on, and I loved Under the Red Hood, it was excellent, well written and exciting to watch.
      The whole bringing Batman into reality that Zapata mentions below me can be torn apart pretty fast to.
      (1) A child who looses his parents does not become a vigilante, no matter how much money he has.
      (2) A secret organization that wants to wipe out evil in the world trains said millionaire to fight for them
      (3) A man who is blown up normally isnt up and about when half his body has been burned so badly, and will often die of infection if he did decide to go out into the world.
      (4) The Joker.... need I say more?
      (5) Bane being superpowerful because he uses painkillers? Riiiiiiiiiight, trust me, Ive been on painkillers for my knees for years and if anything they make you weaker.
      (6) How no-one put together that Batman is driving around in all this expensive stuff while the head of a multinational weapons contractor happens to live in the same city and the military never piece together how their prototypes are the same being used by Batman and were created by Wayne Corp is a little silly.
      (7) You cant make a comic book character into a realistic character and then expect people to swallow any guff you throw at them because you are making it "more realistic".
      (8) Moments before you see the "Bat" plan/helicopter explode you see Batman in it, it flies off and then BOOM, nuclear explosion, and since everyone was looking would no one have seen him jump out over Gotham if he had?
      (9) Batman maintains the "do not kill" policy throughout the entire series, even saving Joker who'd just murdered hundreds of people, BUT, he kills the driver of the truck carrying the reactor near the end using fucking cannons! Same driver who seems to disappear from the cab within seconds (clever editing).
      (10) -I can make 10 points to hehe- Realism dictates you CANNOT recover from no cartilage in your joints. End of story! Trust me, I know this!

      They should have broken Batman at the start, instead of Catwoman have Batgirl and introduce Robin/Nightwing earlier in the movie. 8 years passed, Batman/Bruce left Gotham to its own devices, which he didnt even do when he was crippled, when Barbra was broken by Bane, he fought even harder (and even when destroyed by Bane) continued to hard against him. Wasted characters, wasted time in the movie and realism went out the door when you see a man make a recovery from something that kept him off his feet for nearly a decade!

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    5. Great points Dave. Now that you actually started a very good idea, why not have Bane BREAK Batman, and have him left Gotham to recover for 8 years. That would have made much more sense, since it was not by choice. 8 years to recover and gain back his strength would have been hell lot more believable. During his absence, freedom can be allowed for other developments such as catwoman (make a proper one pleassee), or even batgirl. Yes, Nightwing or Robin would have been great. And during that 8 years, without Batman, everyone would come to a conclusion that the world still needs Batman, and when he returns, it would have been EPIC !!!!

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    6. Just 2 more things before I stop pointing out problems, because theres more bad then good in this movie. Friend of mine pointed this out.

      (1) Blackgate Prison was not situated in the middle of the city, as most MAXIMUM security prisons arent, it was on a small island in Gotham Bay. Placing it smack dab in the middle of the city was just stupid.
      (2) Bane was in his early 20's at least when he helped Taila escape from the prison, shes at least in her early to mid 30's in the movie, making Bane at the very least, 45+. He doesnt look that age, act that age or even slightly lean towards being any older then Taila.

      Speaking of the 8 year gap, do you really think Joker wouldnt have been around? Did all the really super bad guys just go away, "retire" like Batman did? I know all the Nolan fanboys and hipsters want it to be the best thing to come out since sex and sliced bread, but its not. His subplots of betrayal, emotion and sacrifice are weak and watered down, forced on a cast of characters who are, and have always been, through the comics and his own movies, strong and smart. Introducing new characters to take his place would have been great, as you barely see Batman in it anyway, how would replacing him have been any different? Selina Kyle was played well, the "cat burglar" not so much. Hell when I seen early shots of this movie I thought Batgirl was in it, and with Bane, that would have made sense, seeing as the first Batgirl was Barbra Gordon, who was broken by Bane, who was also in the movie, soooooo much wasted potential!
      As you said, if he'd been training and trying to bring himself back to health you could understand it, but what did they do with that 8 years "Batmans been gone and Bruce hasnt left his house in 8 years, now, Bruce is back out and oh holy shit, so is Batman, hey, Bruce, look, wait, where's Bruce gotten to, he always misses this stuff!"

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    7. Dave,
      I think the part that I could not accept the most, was the 8 years of peace. Gotham will never achieve that. Just by having one rule being put in place, and Harvey dying for that rule, the whole place becomes crime free? Unbelievable. I cannot imagine how can Nolan even think this to be anything working for his "realism".
      Remember, Batman did not fight the big fight, he is fighting the small ones. He is not fighting to prevent the nuclear bomb from going off, he is fighting so that no other 8 year olds will ever lose their parents again in a dark alley. He wanted to be out there for those unprotected, and avenge the criminals. For that reason, I cannot believe Batman would just abandon Gotham for so long.
      You were right Dave, the part where all the villains, including Joker suddenly retired was beyond me.

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    8. It seems we're not the only ones to think the movie was disappointing, even the Oscar judges felt it was underwhelming.

      I still cant see where all this blind love is coming from for it. Even if I were to ignore it as a Batman movie, replacing Batman with Bruce Willis as John McClane and just take it as any other movie, its still silly as all get out. Yeah and the one law passing that allowed them to lock anyone up, they already had that, it was called, THE LAW! Criminals break it, they go to jail. How did Dents law do anything!
      As for the nuke, where was Superman? The Flash? Maybe they were on vacation with the Joker. Oh sorry wait, people arent allowed have superpowers here, ignoring the guy with the immune system to shrug off the infections from a severely burnt body, or the man who can shrug off 8 years of being a cripple & a broken back because he has to save his city.

      And why if the League of Shadows were trying to wipe out crime, did they break all the inmates out of the prison, and not only that, arm them, then hand the keys of the city over to them. The WORST people in Gotham, and they freed them.
      Also for a man who was so concerned about the loss of his parents and the tainting of his childhood he let the orphanage go without funding. Other then fighting crime on the list of things to do, minding the children so they dont have to suffer like you did comes way above "sit in dark and feel sorry for self".
      Ive honestly spent more time complaining about this movie then it took to watch it.

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    9. Glad that you pointed out about the Oscar judges. Just read it. Good to know that Oscar people are still objective and not being influenced by public fanaticism. There really was nothing spectacular about the movie. Plot was full of holes, acting was so bad, and nothing comes together at all. Even the action sequence were lacking, and fight scenes, what fight scenes? LOL.

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  29. I just came from watching the movie and... well i have some thoughts.

    I have read many of the opinions above and i feel like both pro-TDKR and TDKR haters are missing the point.

    I like comicbooks, and i have always liked Batman's character thought i haven't read too many of his books. To be honest, i'm more into the darker kind of books like Hellblazer, Preacher, Sandman and so, alas superheroe comics are not my specialty.

    Having said that i also need to say that i studied in an art school (specializing in comics) for some time and i'm familiar with narrative, themes, the hero concept and all that is to be considered when writing a story.

    With all that said, i believe the greatest strenght the Batman character has is its relatability on the grounds of his humanity ( as opposed to other heroes superhumanity) and the motivation os his actions. I found compelling from the beginning Nolan's intent to bring Batman closer to reality ( in a way). All the jibber-jabber about yellow belts and bat-like features of the vehicles seems to me like cheap fanboy criticism that doesn't really account for my disappointment with the film. The reality Nolan chose to set his Batman in was clear from the first movie, so i think the movie should be criticized on its own terms: the character development, the rythm of the narration, the plots ingenuity and so on. i mean parameters against which any movie can be measured.

    The fact is the movie doesn't work well. The relations between characters pop in and out without making any sense; the rythm is clearly amiss, specially the 2nd act; the plot is overly predictable and many times is poorly fitted to justify itself and the end just surrenders to sentimentalism when the hero's death was what consistency demanded.

    In my opinion it destroys the work done in the previous movies to make us understand the main idea; the power of a symbol to inspire people. Because that's the whole deal with Batman. He is a misterious figure that inflicts fear upon the enemies of justice and brings hope to the terrorised civilians. Even greater is the fact that this hero is a man afflicted by trauma, moved at first by revenge but then set straigth to martyrdom in the name of Justice. And then his martyr status is a lie? I can't think of a good reason , from a narrative standpoint, to let him live. And there's people saying there's drama in this movie? Come on!!!

    Thought i feel there's good notions in there, like(god help me) all that Occupy BS; risky but in line with Ghul's organization's social terrorism; the siege; the young hero wannabe; the 8 year retirement and some...there are others just intrascendent, unbelievable or unjustifiable by the characters psychologies.¿why the sudden trust upon Seline?¿what's the point of Alfred leaving?¿So he can feel guilty in the funeral?¿3000 cops entering the tunnels side by side, in a crowd?¿no squads, no grids?¿really?

    There are many other things i could say to both defend the movie or defile it but it's really late and i'm really tired.

    All i meant to say is that is not the lore unaccuracy or the lack of action that make this movie unlikeable. It's the fact that it fails to achieve its own goals, most likely by the intention to appeal and apease the bigger audience while closing a trilogy instead of trying to build a quality product. I cannot but believe that some of the worst parts of it were forced upon Nolan, for i think him to be a very talented and complete cinematographer.

    PS: JUST MY OPINION

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    1. Zapata,
      Appreciate your unbiased take on the movie. I understand where you are coming from, and I agree with you with most points.
      However, allow me to clarify something. My 10 reasons stated in the blog entry were only valid if you were a batman obsessed fan. I believe the Batman should not diverted too far from the original portrayal, because those are the essential elements that made what Batman, Batman. Setting the history aside, I do think that the movie is good. If you are not a Batman fanboy, there really is not that much to hate about the movie.
      Now here is the interesting thing: you have pointed out some very interesting points: the movie itself, looking at the whole trilogy, does have many plot holes and inconsistency. I am not going to repeat what you have just said, but you are certainly right in mentioning that a lot of things have become badly executed in the movie and could have been a lot better.

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  30. OMG!!
    Thank You Robin, for being so honest and on-point with your ten reasons and responses to the above comments. Personally, I think you touched on the real issue in your #10 comment stating that Bale's portrayal of the Batman is void of any admiral qualities. It is just my own opinion, but I think the reasoning behind his inept ability to bring that across on screen is because there is nothing admirable about the man portraying the character. The Reason Iron Man comes off so perfect is that Downey possesses many of the same qualities (good and bad) that are totally Tony Stark. I don't ever remember reading an article that Bruce Wayne beat up his Mother and Sister in public...So I think Bale can't portray admirable because there is nothing admirable about this Scot Disick Look-a-like.

    Also, as a side note, I am sick to death of Catwoman being a part-time hero. Gotham has a female hero that is overlooked constantly and not given a fighting chance because of bad storylines. All these films are loosely based on comics anyway with lots of embellishments...So can't someone come up with a decent script and give Barbara Gordon's Batgirl a chance to shine. She's the smartest girl in Gotham (her oracle skills were always part of her arsenal) and would be so fresh to see on a big screen done right, along side of Batman, than the overdone and tiresome Catwoman.

    I',m Just Sayin'

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    1. Thanks Stevie-lyn for stating your own points too !!
      Having Batgirl would have been great, even if it was just Barbara Gordon as the original character, not fighting alongside batman as batgirl. I do think that Barbara Gordon is an interesting character, she willingly, and voluntarily chose to be who she was.
      I do not mind Catwoman, and I do think she is a good choice for the movie, but I do not see how she fits into the plot. It felt like bits and pieces, and do not come together nicely. Perhaps a little more attention to developing her character, giving her a background or the reason to be who she is, and do what she is doing, that would help us connect to her better. She felt so disconnected from the rest of the movie.

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  31. 100% with you dude!
    Well except for the surviving the bomb blast... Maybe you went for a piss(long movie huh!) but he fixed the autopilot...

    Everything else I agree with.
    Smells like quick money for the studio and cast while riding on the previous movie's success no..? Anyone remember Transformers 2 lmfao??? Same here, made without effort, same storyline as previous movie(terrorists take over Gotham)... I mean a terrorist takeover for the 3rd time... Jesus Christ I'm starting to think this town deserves it! I mean come on, you'd think that after the 2nd movie, the army would've built a base there or something but no... Let the bad people in!! You know what, since it's soooo easy for terrorist to hide and take over Gotham, I bet you that's were Ousama was hidding all those years!!!


    Can someone tell me why Bane sounds exactly like the fish guy in Hellboy?!?

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    1. No I did not take a piss. I saw Batman moments just before the explosion. It would have been a lot more convincing to have him on board the Bat. Using Autopilot was a lazy and lame excuse. Perhaps that was what Nolan opted for, a lazy way out for Batman's survival.

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    2. You saw Batman's FACE, then the bomb ticking away, then the explosion. Think, just like on TDK when his bike came out of the car. Pay closer attention Robin Wong.

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    3. I paid VERY close attention. Thank you.

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  32. I didn't like this movie. I really wanted to, but aside from Bane, every character seemed hollow. I agree with all of your points, and would like to add that I particularly despised Nolan's characterization of Talia. This character felt rushed and should have had so much potential in a movie adaptation. For one, Talia isn't your typical "villain" (in general cannon). Her main selling point as a character is how she was torn between the league of shadows and her genuine love for both Bruce and Batman. Heck, she even has a child with him and is much more than just some crazy bitch in the actual Batman universe. In this portrayal, she was just pure evil. And the fact that Bruce lets her die is surprising. I also hated how Bane was relegated to a grunt during the ending. The League of Assassins/Shadows stories are my favorite in the Batman universe; this movie pretty much played it like a cartoon. A pretty bad one at that.

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    1. You have pointed something very important, Majnoon. Talia is something a lot more than what the movie portrayed, and Batman did really love her, and they have a child together, you were right. Indeed, there is no trace of that connection between Talia and Bruce, and it is sad to see that everything about Talia was wiped out of character. If you can't develop the characters well enough might as well just exclude them, rather than showing them out half baked. Everything is ruined because of that, Bane would have been a lot better as the main villain.

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    2. The thing that annoys me is that Chris Nolan's established a new "mainstream" view for Talia that's complete character injustice. The same could be said for Robin (even Selina Kyle), but as characters they're more well known so it's not really that big of a hit against their mythos. When a rather obscure (amongst common "fans") character is being put in the limelight, I want them to shine. Whatever good Nolan did for Ra's and Bane (for the most part) he undid with Talia.

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    3. Agreed Majnoon,
      Talia is a huge character, and she does affect Bruce emotionally. Not giving her the proper treatment in the movie is a big mistake.

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  33. Damn shame, I agree with almost everything you said, Batman was raped in this movie, his character lost all of it's complexity and passion. Not getting into the other stuff but just the dialog and part was completely stamped out of a mold like so much cheap Chinese made toys. As far as I'm concerned this movie does not even count as a Batman movie. He would indeed be able to take down Bane if he was truly Batman, he would know that the mask is his weakness and could easily rip it off his face. Also they raped the Bat car and the "Bat Wing" neither look anything like the Batmans actual car and wing, I'm sorry but this was just fucking raped to shit and back. Fuck this movie and anyone who was responsible for it, one of the biggest let downs of the year, and THE BIGGEST let down in Batman history. Also Robins entire ACTUAL history was ignored and this bullshit was invented, nuf said.

    Don't bother watching this movie if you haven't, unless you want to completely ruin Batman and what he is.

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    1. Well said. Batman, and everything about batman is RAPED in this movie. Shame, really.

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  34. Erm...this is now the bat channel. Well where's the bat camera Robin? And is it an Olympus?

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  35. I don't know but this movie for me sucks cuz the joker is not in it. Batman is no only battle against evil but insanity. And not only with his foes but himself.
    Again I miss Joker in this one. What he done to this city is something generations of Gotham's people would remember. Bane is just a " James Bond" villian. And Bane is not a terrorist. He is a smart monster that destroyed batman phisicly. Joker broke Batman mentaly witch is 100000000000000000times more dangerous. And that Joker made Batman a " killer" ( Two-face was killed by him)that is just... Badass. Ok brake batmans back- cool. Brake his spirit and his soul, his rule is well... what is Joker all about.
    It would be more cool to see batman rise mentaly not... what Nolan made.
    Like Batman gives himself in ( becuse he killed Dent and he is now the same as Joker and mobsters and he is not a hero but a villian). he is put in the Arkham asylum. He needs to rise up from a criminal back to the hero. And some clou what happend to the Joker would be nice too. Or A whole movie showing the legacy of the Joker and how his message destroyed Gothams soul. Gordon is depressed and someone like Riddler who does not ask WHO IS THE BATMAN? But WHO WAS THE JOKER!? and trying to show that Joker was right and asking questions like: IS what is batman doing OK? ANd then they reaveal to the public what happend to the Harvey Dent. All people want Batmans head. Then the riddler tells the public that Bruce was Batman and Wayne industris is taken over by mobsters who were realised becuse two face's -dents crimes. Gordons leaves Gotham and Some powerfull people hire Bane to break in the asylum and kills Bruce. When bane does that all of the inmates escape and even the monster himself-Joker escapes ( I know it would be bad if someone was trying to be Ledgers joker-so i though of how to do it- Bruce still sits in his cell. Then he hears laughter ( Ledgers laugh impression or something) Then we just see a smile when Joker comes to the Bruces cell throu the glass or a window.Then he leaves with laughter). Batman must escape arkham and so he does. He needs to RISE to be a hero again and beat Bane, Riddler and all other criminals. Only Joker is still missing. The Gordon returns to Gotham when he hears that Batman is back and leads the police into a war against criminals. Gotham becomes a battlefield. Ofcorse Batman and Gordon and police will win and Bane is shipped out to a prison in Brazil, Riddler is put in the Arkham. Mobsters that were realised from prison becuse of the Two face killings will be put back in the prison and people again love Batman. Gotham is rebuild. The last scene would be that Gordon and Batman are on the roof and Gordon puts a bat signal back on the roof. Gordon says: Joker is still missing.
    Batman: We will find him. He was right. We will do this for ever. Untill one of us die. And then someone will replace him and so on and so on. Becuse Gotham needs Batman. He needs someone to stop the madness. Even if I die someone new will come. And when he dies some one will replace him. Gotham will always need a hero. And will always get one.
    So what do you think. Would it be better idea?
    Please tell me.

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    1. You have some excellent ideas, but by handing himself over he would have had to reveal who he was, though everyone seemed to fucking know who he was by the end of the movie.
      They probably didnt want to replace Joker in this one, so maybe thats why he left him out, but he NEEDED to be in it.

      You seem to have a better grasp of story telling then whoever wrote the bloody script! Together we could write an amazing Batman movie!

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    2. Somehow I felt that not telling what happened to Joker was not right. Joker was a huge part of what happened to Gotham, he was the cause of what happened to Dent, and the whole Batman taking the fall thing. At least have a short story for closure, Joker deserves that. There is not Batman without Joker too.

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    3. Dave, I'm a small time filmmaker( I'm an actor and the writer-my friend is director...) and I'm already writing a small Batman movie where i play the Joker. But someday maybe...yes us two maybe will write the new Batman trilogy :)

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    4. PS: I'm the anonymus-the author of the upper comment so you know its the same peron Dave :)

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  36. christian bale sounds more like a pedofile with scruff mcgruffs brown coat in the dark than a superhero. the move was boring and a waste of time.

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  37. I'm so happy I found this blog! I absolutely HATED this film. Thought I was practically alone. If you love Batman, you will hate this movie...so, so true.

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  38. I didn't like the movie for all the reasons you didn't, Robin. Especially ignoring the emotionally impact of Bruce's parents death which drove him to dress up like a crazy bat in the first place. You hit the nail on the head. I honestly can't understand the appeal of Nolan's version of Batman at all. This characterization of Batman may as well have had an "S" on his chest. Except Nolan's Batman doesn't mind letting villains die occasionally. My personal favorite version of Batman are the Warner Brother's animated ones. The cool, intellectual that manages to suppress and harness such raw emotion into a productive form of justice. I heard an interview with Christian Bale after "Begins" in which he stated Brace Wayne's greatest power is his wealth, in relation to not having super powers. I've always felt his greatest strength was his intellect, heart, and determination. I also didn't like the movie for standard cinematic reasons. I thought it lacked emotional appealing characters. I was more emotionally invested in the ending of Elmo's favorite songs volume 2, than the TDKR (I have kids). If it was realism Nolan was going for, he obviously missed the mark for all the reasons stated above and many more. I can't understand the cult-like praise Nolan gets at all. Especially with TDKR. The relationship between Bruce, Kyle, and Tate seamed forced. I just didn't feel there were any connections created by the writing, or the actors (excepting Morgan Freeman and Michael Cain.)

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    1. Elmo's favourite song !! I think Nolan would be screaming when he reads this LOL.
      The emotional development between the characters was a flop. there were so many things that could have been a lot better. Catwoman appearing out of nowhere with no history or whatsoever, and suddenly bruce wayne decided to trust her? How naive is that.
      Bruce should have run some background check (like he always does, the world's greatest detective, remember?) and he would have easily found out who Talia is, and what were Bane's weaknesses. He did not even do any research, and just went on without much strategy and planning. This is the part I cannot live with, Batman's intellectual prowess, as you have described, was reduced to nothingness.

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  39. Robin-

    Sometimes, the answer is right in front of you. In scanning the entries, I did not see any comments about the fact that Nolan had the presence of mind to cast Anne Hathaway in head to toe leather. Without question, this allows the film to rise above any petty squabbles about plot twists or let downs. The prior movie had us believe that Batman would fall for...Maggie Gyllenhall(sp)? Really? It lent an air of incredulity to the whole movie that i couldn't get over. In Rises, I find it far more believable that Wayne would risk radiating his bat butt in order to sneak off with the stunning Ms. Hathaway.

    I think you are all a bit too connected to the original content here. In the end, even if you did not agree with it, the movie was more thought provoking than the average superhero fare. Argue it, discuss it, see it again- it's all the sign that a lot of work went into this movie. I found it very entertaining.

    Hey Robin- what's the low down on the Oly 60mm macro?? Any news?

    Jonathan

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      no news on macro 60mm yet. I do think its coming soon, have a feeling.

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  40. Looking past Bane sounding like the love-child of Darth Vader and Sean Connery, looking past the bloated self-important plot, looking past Christian Bale's "Where's my Rescue Inhaler?" Batman voice, the plot itself did not adhere to the, "What if it were real?" Scenario.
    Bane fights Batman, and I'm thinking in Bane's voice, "Ah, I wear this mask because apparently I need it to survive. Thank you for only punching it and never trying to rip it off my face."
    When Bane blew up Gotham Stadium and you see the football player returning the kick while the field erupts behind him, then stops in the end zone and turns around, I nudged the guy next to me and said, "You know why that happened, right? NEVER KICK THE BALL TO DEVIN HESTER!"
    So, we get to why Bane's here. He's come to destroy Gotham and finish what Ghul started because Gotham is corrupt and crime-ridden.
    But, it had looked to me that Gotham had pulled a 180 from what it had been.
    So . . . why?
    I've been a Batman fan for over 20 years, stacks of books, all the movies, but this one left me shaking my head.
    It was depressing, bordering on nihilistic.
    They called it The Dark Knight Rises, so I figured I would see the end of the "Beginning" trilogy. Batman would come out of fugitive status, save Gotham, and be hailed as Gotham's Protector-end trilogy.
    But no, I got The Dark Knight Retires.
    I also got tired of hearing Bane, holding out his arms like a politician saying, "People of Gotham, I am liberating you! This is your city!"
    But if you try to leave, I'll kill you all with my nuclear bomb . . . but other than that . . . YOU'RE FREE!
    And how does one city, undo the balance of an ENTIRE WORLD?
    How does blowing up ONE CITY restore the balance of an ENTIRE WORLD? That's not reality-that's just stupid.
    A madman with a nuke takes over a major metropolitan city and the government won't get involved.
    Really?
    "'Nope. We're not sending in the SEALs or the Rangers or the Green Berets or Delta Force. Nope, you guys are on your own. They're good enough to defend a country, but Gotham, no way."
    Yeah, that's really gonna happen.
    Then the citizens of Gotham rise up!
    And all the cops parade down the street like it's a Gotham Police Academy Cadet Review. Forget the fact that they're surrounded by tall buildings. No, let's funnel down this one street, so if Bane has snipers on the rooftops, they won't have to waste too much ammunition picking us off.
    But, wait!
    We still have the nuke to deal with!
    So, Batman, after being stabbed by Talia (Again . . . Why? Their origins together were so much better in the comic books that character could have been anybody. Bane's babe, maybe.) has to get rid of the bomb!

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    1. Trying to be original and realistic have nothing to do with doing away the spectacular origins and what made the characters shine in the first place. the problem with Nolan ignoring all those things that made each characters in the Batman universe unique, just to that he can create what he thought was more real, was unbearable when all the loopholes and contradictions could not appear to be more obvious.

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  41. So he gets the bomb, and flies it out over the water, and BAM!
    And the people of Gotham cheer!
    And I'm sitting there thinking, "YAY! Batman just irradiated our water supply!!! WOOOOO-HOOOOO!"
    If you look at it, there were things that were thrown in that didn't need to be there.
    As in The Dark Knight, Dent didn't need to be there. Why his character would be thrown in just to get killed is beyond me. They could have found other reasons for Batman ending up a fugitive, and the movie would have been less long and more tight had it focused solely on The Joker.
    In this one, we get Catwoman, and again . . . why?
    Yeah, Hathaway's hot in leather, but we're expected to believe that Bruce/Batman fell in love with her so fast that when he retired, he took her with him?
    Their relationship wasn't that way in the beginning?
    And for that matter, she added little to nothing to the plot.
    Might as well brought in Robin . . . uh . . . as Robin.
    I went to the "Marathon" of all three movies the night before its official release with my buddies. At the end I told them, "That . . . was horrible."
    I love Batman, but just because a movie has Batman in it, doesn't mean I gotta like it.
    It is what it is.
    An overblown, ego trip on Nolan's part that could have easily had 30 minutes edited out of it for pace-of-storytelling purposes, with a script that that seemed directionless.
    If the movie had begun with the cops being tossed around like rag dolls by a junkie of enormous strength and they find out he's hopped up on Venom, drug kingpins get found with their backs and necks broken all over the place, and in steps Bane to take over the city's drug trade with Venom, I can see that.
    That to me is real.
    That's a "City" problem.
    Let the city deal with it.
    Threatening to nuke one?
    That's a "Country" issue, and the Feds aren't staying out of that one.
    And before you reply, wait for the DVD and see how many times you hit the Fast Forward button.
    Is Bruce still an emo-d-bag?
    Yep.
    Fast Forward.
    Is Bruce still stuck in the well?
    Yep.
    Fast Forward.
    Lassie, get help! Bruce is still stuck in the well!
    Fast Forward.

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  42. I've noticed everyone here saying that Nolan did an injustice to Batman, that if you love Batman the superhero you'll hate this.
    Well I have never read a comic in my life. I am merely a movie-goer. When you set all of your -true to story-,-true to character- concerns aside,
    This movie f*ing sucks.
    I always ask my sister when she's trying to convince me that a movie is good, that frankly isn't, "Okay, describe to me (character)'s personality." And she can't say.
    I am unable to identify a single personality characteristic in ANY of the new characters that were introduced. Every bit of dialogue was so unconvincing I was reading lines in my head.

    And this Nolan guy has a serious problem with casting female parts, at least in this series. All these phenominal male actors and then we get katie holmes and jake gyllenhall's sister? I am mostly convinced that Nolan can only see substance in men, and sees women as plastic decorative pieces to the film. And you know what that's fine, have the chicks just be chicks with no depth but then don't act like I'm supposed to care about any of them being dead, and it's a huge STORY line for Bruce Wayne to be a broken man?

    I know Anne Hathaway has more accolades as an actress, but for me that is in disney princess movies. Catwoman's coy lines just made me feel so awkward... I'm leaning over and saying "I think that was supposed to be like dangerous and sexy instead of strange and out of place." ANNE HATHAWAY IS NOT COY. It's a sick combination of trashed directing and miscasting.

    19 characters and 13 story lines makes for a shit movie if you don't set me up to care about any of them. This was an incoherent, heartless mess.

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    1. The movie F*ing sucks indeed. I get your point W, too many characters, too many sub-plots, too messy of a movie, and in the end nothing comes through.
      Miscasting and poor direction are the main issues with this movie. Glad you can point that out, unlike many people who have become too blind to see that.

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  43. If you see the comics I disagree in some points

    1)Batman has left Gotham city a number of times, to detox (venom), to find people, vacations, cure illness, personal stuff, etc..
    2)Batman has left his health deteriorate in a lot of occasions, venom, the return of the dark knight,knight fall
    3)Batman always push him self to the limit and has a lot of times go to a situation with out any kind of plan the best example knight fall
    4)Yes this was so lame
    5)Alfred always is leaving Bruce, when he was paralytic, when he was an addict, if something goes wrong Alfred will split
    6)For me no problem here
    7)The worst thing of the movie, this was just plain stupid, Batman has never survive this explosion also the city it will be sick with radiation, the time that he has left for the bomb to explode and he says goodbye to everyone... and why fake the death of Batman?
    8)Batman is dead, and everybody knows, so a statue is correct in this scenario for me
    9)I think that was ok that Batman evolves in this aspect and they make references to his parents death but I think that Rachel's death is the think that bring him down
    10)Also think that Robin was a very bad thought character, he appears our of nothing becomes a mayor player and in the end receive the batcave, come on...

    I think that the movie sucks because they try to hard to put so many stories and characters in one movie, also the fights where just bad and unrealistic, some props where to illogical (catwoman shoes and bane's "mask") and the end was...

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    1. 1) Batman left Gotham because he had to in the comics, not willingly, and not leaving Gotham unprotected. He wont blardy leave for freaking 8 years, with no proper reason.
      2) Batman's health surely will deteriorate, he is human. But he does his best to be the best he could. He would not just igonore wounds and not take up treatment and get better. At least, he would be able to walk, and fight !
      3) No, this is where you have mistaken what a true batman is, even when he appears he has no plan, he has MANY plans thought out in such an elaborate manner that Sherlock Holmes will look like a child's play.
      4) Glad you agreed.
      5) Alfred will never leave Bruce when he needs him the most. He is the most loyal companion to Bruce, and having him leave Bruce in the movie was a stupid twist of plot, and was completely unnecessary.
      6) No problem? Is this a movie about a Batman that is ungrateful to the sacrifices of his longest and most loyal friend, and a Batman that is a jerk he just pushed the important people in his life away? I am not liking this Batman in the movie. At least the Batman I used to know is more "human", and has a "heart".
      7)Agreed, Why fake the death? Unnecessary, yet again.
      8) My point was, Batman does not need a statue. His status as a hero was not for "worship" or as a symbol. Batman was an "urban legend" to be feared.
      9) Rachel's death was destroying Batman. After all that he has fought for and sacrificed, it is sad to see batman giving up everything just for the death of a girl.
      10) Yeap.

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  44. To tell the truth i didn't like the second movie either. Reason? It depressed me. After that didn't want to watch this one.
    I get the dark atmosphere/ mentality stuff but I feel in the end there ought to be something that lifts our spirits again because really what is the fun in being miserable and morbid all the time?The trailer for new Superman looks like more of the same.

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    1. Did not really like the second movie either too.

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  45. We interrupt this program for ,,,..OLYMPUS 60mm MACRO COMING SOON!!!! Yeeeeeeaaaaaah!

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  46. I hated this Batman film. The person who wrote this script can't possibly be the same person who created The Dark Knight, either that, or the person writing this third installment didn't give a damn and just wanted to get this project over with.

    Bale dressed as Batman shows up for about 30 minutes total in this 2 hour 30+ minute film. The rest of the film seems a set up just to introduce the catho and that young cop and basically this film was their film and Bale and the other original actors were just guest staring to bring in the fans of the other two films. This is an offensive film just on this fact alone, but there are so many other things that make this a horrible film.

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    1. Too many characters, not enough development, not good enough connection and chemistry between one to another. All too messy and very bad acting, thrown together in such a bad film.

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  47. I too felt the movie was a big disappointment. One of the main reasons other than what's mentioned above is having way too many characters in the movie. I think the story would have been better without Robin and Talia...

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    1. Agreed. Robin and Talia were not needed. Batman and bane should have been the main focus. robin and Talia were placed in very bad places, instead of supporting the movie they have become the main distractions.

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  48. Thank you!! Apart from #7 you hit this one perfectly! The posts above point out what you missed in #7 but i can't blame you for missing that part of the movie. The only other part I HATED was the Bane voice ... i almost walked of out the theater after 10 mins. Nothing in this movie caught me off guard, all the little things I anticipated ... ever one of them! I should have just skipped this movie & watched the Batman/Superman movie at home. If you do not understand what drives Batman (mask or the phantasm 'Please!!!! ... I need it to be different now') & if you do not think there is a deep reason why he does what he does then you will most likely enjoy this movie.

    'the voice kept calling me "Bruce." In my mind, that's not what I call myself.'

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    1. Superman/Batman movie at home sounds so much better.

      I remember that final line, it was from one of the episodes in Batman beyond when someone planted something into bruce's mind. This shows that even when Bruce was already aging, his mind is still sharp, and he may not be physically fit to fight anymore, but he will do whatever other means necessary that he could, to protect Gotham. He never stopped being a Batman. Unlike this sissy Nolan introduced in the movie that gave up on Gotham willingly.

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  49. Inb4: sorry about my bad english is not my native language and I'm very bad for grammar even in my language.

    I think you linked to much with the story of the comics or the story of always.

    I'm gamer, and when I see a movie about a videogame I want to see what I see in the game but that is not gonna happen because the directors and the creator of the story/script think that is boring to the fans to see something that you already see or know. My thoughts are "well then you make a new story and fuck up everything!" but they reason is good, it will be boring to see the same thing over and over just with different actors or effects.

    I really like the trilogy, and this last movie was very good, but again, like my friend you linked to the original story too much, this was a new whole story, a more realistic one and yet the director put some events of the original story, like the first fight bane vs batman, when batman lose the fight and breaks his spine. And more importan and something that I was asking my self, where is the venom for bane? well the intention of the director was create a batman and his enemies more realistic, with less comic things like the venom of bane, that's why Poison Ivy or killer croc are not in the story, even Ra's al Ghul was not inmortal like the comic says.

    That's why I think if you see from the point of view of the comics, yes the whole trilogy suck, where is one of the most classic enemies of batman? the pinguin, why catwoman is not really a catwoman and is just a thief with visors that seems like cat ears? and the list go on, but if you see from a new point of view, forget about you already know about batman and I assure you that you will enjoy more the movie.

    in any case I like you review and I respect your opinion.

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    1. my question to you is what made harry potter so successful in transforming the book to the movie without destroying the readers/movie watchers expectations.

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    2. Is the directors/producer intentions, look for the intentions of C.Nolan, he talk about them, it was create a real batman with a bit of fantasy and a new story line, because make 100% real batman it will be boring and stupid, beginning with the idea of some dude in a suit.

      That's why have some unrealistic thing like "the bat" or harvey dent with half face.... With harry potter the intention was the same as the books, some people with magic and well magic is real. There is some kind of thing that make the directors make a movie with real things, we have the shit called dragon ball, coming soon mortal kombat movie and all we know about the characters is different because they are "real" this time, scorpion is not ninja, is some dude and sub zero is killer with mask (like bane), another one? transformers, etc. some of them look for the realistic face and some other want a port for the theater. That's why I think that tag this movie about how bad is because is not what the real story of batman is, is the same with the spiderman, or thor, or transformers, most of them are not what the story is or don't have the "powers/stuff" that the comic have.

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    3. Zenkon, the problem here has nothing to do with Nolan changing things to make Batman more real or interesting. The main issue I cannot live with, is stripping off what truly defines batman, or made who Batman is.
      It is like taking away that transformation of Hulk, or the ability to fly away from Superman. Some things are not meant to be changed. Batman's superior planning and strategical prowess were not found, instead he fought like a girl against Bane. Bruce's care for his fitness and well-being of his company, Wayne Enterprise were no where to be found. He just let his body deteriorate, lost his fighting spirit, and did nothing for 8 years, even his company was dying. Heck, what made the real batman, Batman, was because he was "human". He has a heart. This Batman, just ignored Alfred, his best and most loyal friend.
      I do not know about you, but those things originated from the comics, and they were there for a strong reason: to tell and to shape what Batman is: a hero. In the movie, Batman has been reduced to a brainless brawl, a broken man with no passion to live anymore. That is too much of a change, not something that we want to admire or respect when we see a man donning the cape and cowl of Batman.

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  50. What is the point of Batman's suit is he can easily be stabbed thru it and then by a woman?
    Why was I forced in a movie, yet again, to watch (this Cat Woman character and) more unbelievable female fight scenes?
    Why were most of the males in the film (As always) depicted as weak, degraded, slow and lacking in intellect?
    Why did the movie seem predictable and filled with more of the same old 'surprises', that again are - predictable.
    Wouldn't it be that if the city were destroyed in such a manner there would be mass rapings, looting and worse?

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    1. you make a solid point. what I would like to know is during the second fight scene with bane how in the hell was batman able to take full contact punches from bane who destroyed a concrete pillar but somehow a knife penetrates his armor and makes him immobilized?

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    2. Great addition to the things that made Batman in Nolan's movie suck. Batman being stabbed by a woman, how thoughtful !

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  51. I was just wondering, Bane can't ever remove his mask due to excruciating pain, right?? Then how in bloody hell does he eat and manage his monstrous body?? And Christopher Nolan found a super-steroid like 'Venom' too far fetched because it wasn't 'real' enough!! Attention to detail matters a lot, in my opinion. That's what differentiates good movies from great.

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    1. In Nolan's logic of Realism, some things are just there for a reason, and the others, who cares, let the crowd guess for themselves. Seriously, attention to detail is something that this Batman movie lacks. Venom would have made more sense, like you have mentioned.

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  52. Couldn't understand about 75% of what Bane said. Batman was barely even in it. Even worse? The whole "a nuke is going to go off in this amount of time and blow up Gotham". Oh wow, haven't seen that storyline in every single episode of 24. FLOP!

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    1. Flop indeed. There really is nothing that compelling or original about this movie. you were right.

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  53. why was bane crying,and I dont know if it was a visual test but could anyone count a cat in the whole movie?

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  54. what blew my mind was that in 8 years not one supervillan escaped arkham, crime was at an all time low. nolan might as well have casted superman to give the speech and rename gotham city and have stan lee as gordon and the juggernaught as bane and throw in some flying monkeys. this would have justified spending money to watch a horrible movie.

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    1. This is a very, very good point. Gotham will never be that free of crime, not even for 8 years, under some weird Act. So many villians out there, and that is why the city, or the world will always need a batman to balance things up.

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  55. This movie had so many flaws. 1. Bane has no affiliation to Talia, Ra's, or The League Of Assasins. Also the Venom that runs though bane's blood and makes him have almost superhuman strength is never even mentioned. Bane is supposed to be a brilliant criminal who nearly matches wits with Batman, in this movie he seems like a wreckless bully with an annoying voice. 2. Selina Kyle originated as a prostitute, never gave Batman over to Bane, and certainly never ended up with young and retired with a presumed dead Bruce. 3. Robin's Trapeze Artist parents were murdered during their show and Robin was adopted by Bruce and trained to be Robin from a very young age. Robin was also given a made up name in the movie, and was never a cop. 4. Bruce never took an eight year vacation. How could the worlds greatest detective not know that his own company manufactures the knee brace that would have him not only able to walk but able to kick a hole through a fuckin wall? Batman never retires, and never fakes his own death to do so. 5. Aside from all the innacuracies to the actual comic book storyline it was just an awful movie. Too many famous actors, too many explosions, and not enough storyline. The acting was bad by everyone involved, the ending was ridiculous, and the movie dragged. I loved the first two for their attention to detail, backstory, and story overall. This movie was a total flop and a disgrace to Batman and his fans worldwide. Christopher Nolan should be ashamed.

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    1. I think we can list on the things that make this movie flop, and the list wont end. Too many mistakes, and change of characters were unacceptable. Coming from Nolan who created some of the best movies (at least I thought, Inception and The Prestige) I was expecting a lot more from this movie.

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  56. I completely agree with everything you said, Robin. I saw the movie last week and still cannot believe just how terrible it was. I love Batman too! I'm a fan of the original animated series, Batman Beyond and most of the comics. And idk about you, but I actually thought Begins and Dark Knight were both very good and well done movies. Though Dark Knight could have used some changes, I will say that.

    TDKR just failed in so many ways to me. I can probably list 100 things wrong with it. Bruce would NEVER abandon Gotham like that and lock himself away for 8 years. Bruce Wayne was no baby. If anything the death of Rachel would have made him stronger and want to work harder to protect his city.

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    1. So glad you saw what I saw too. I was saying that again and again, Bruce would NEVER abandon Gotham, you made your point, Bruce was NO BABY !!!

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  57. Christopher Nolan turned Batman into a really really rich guy who's angry at criminals and relies purely on inherited wealth and combat training to execute his own personal sense of justice. He forgot the primary ingredient in Batman's character. He's an intellectual heavyweight and the world's greatest detective. Almost none of that shone through in the dark knight rises. Batman is cool, precise, calculating, as well as terrifying. In Rises it felt rushed, and few plot lines were inspiring other than the prison escape. But even that thread was disrespected with the disintegration of Bane's status and Talia's 10 minutes of an open existence. That was the worst character development ever...

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    1. Michael,
      That was what I tried to tell in this blog entry, all the things that made Batman, Batman were being thrown out of the window by Nolan. I do not see anything Batman in this Nolan's version.

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  58. Christopher Nolan turned Batman into a really really rich guy who's angry at criminals and relies purely on inherited wealth and combat training to execute his own personal sense of justice. He forgot the primary ingredient in Batman's character. He's an intellectual heavyweight and the world's greatest detective. Almost none of that shone through in the dark knight rises. Batman is cool, precise, calculating, as well as terrifying. In Rises it felt rushed, and few plot lines were inspiring other than the prison escape. But even that thread was disrespected with the disintegration of Bane's status and Talia's 10 minutes of an open existence. That was the worst character development ever...

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  59. the reason batman lost the first fight with bane is because banes mask gives him morphine so he didn't feel batman's hits. But in the second fight batman broke the mask so bane could get hurt.

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    1. No, the reason Batman lost the first fight was him being stupid and faced Bane completely unprepared. He did not do any research, did not form any strategy and back-up plans, and just fought straight on without thinking.

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  60. I'm going to be honest with everyone here. I love the Batman character from the comics. I AM NOT a HUGE FAN BOY of Batman I really enjoy reading his adventures. He is to me even in the most bizarre comic books, very, very real and grounded.

    Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were fantastic films, on my top ten. I don't know the history or characters of the batman universe that well but just as a movie by Christoper Nolan i enjoyed these. The only character i truly love from Batman is the Joker and Heath Ledger pulled that off so freaking well. Christopher Nolan makes such unique films which is why i enjoy his work.

    But to be very honest....This film sucked and it didn't just suck as a batman movie. It sucked as a movie in general that happened to have batman in it.

    Am I the only one who thought this film was so completely boring and detached from any character development that was shown in the past films.

    Nothing flowed as smoothly as things did in the first two and they seemed to have one score playing through out the entire movie. My wife even fell asleep 45 minutes in and an hour in i wished i was dead. The end was so "blah" it left a horrible taste in my mouth.

    Again, this review is as someone who knows nearly nothing about Batman. This movie in general just sucked and i and actually feel horrible for saying it because i really, really enjoy most films. I watch arty films, action, romance, fuck, you name it....but this film really sucked as a film and I'm very disappointed with Mr. Nolan.

    Am I the only one that thinks this??

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    1. Thanks for sharing vitosal. I am sure you are not the only one. If you go through the comments many people commented were not even Batman fans. they agreed with you that the movie sucked as a movie with Batman in it.

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  61. I agree with you completely, It didn't like that Batman couldn't defeat Bane the second time!

    I also didn't understand, if Batman's suit is Bulletproof, why did he got stabbed so easily! and instead of fighting as Bane did when Batman broke his mask, he started whining!

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  62. So nobody is going to talk about the almost constant un-licensed generic background music scores that honestly didn't go with many of the scenes? Or the horrible rapid and unnecessary scene shifts where you cant move more then 5 feet in a room without the screen cutting forward 10 seconds? Or how they were (in my opinion) trying to use cat-woman at every available opportunity to push some feminist agenda of woman being just as strong if not stronger then men? (she beat up more people then batman did) Aside from the fact that bane was nowhere near developed enough, he wouldn't take orders from ANYBODY, if he works with somebody HE calls the shots. The bomb blowing up also doesn't make sense, and while they did escape the blast radius lets hope Gotham wasn't downwind for the radiation. Why did they need to add the physicist guy in the beginning anyway? When they were talking about "it could be turned into a bomb" that was WAAAAY too much foreshadowing you knew immediately what would happen. Why couldn't it just have been that bane that figured out how to make it into a bomb? HES A SUPERGENIUS! Then trying to tie in the events from the first movie in a far-fetched way instead of making it unique, and adding a (twist?) cliffhanger ending to a movie thats supposed to be the last in the trilogy? Nolan didn't even WANT to make this movie after Ledger died, the studio pressured him into it and look at the pile of crap we got. I could go on but im sure I'll already get flamed enough for this much.

    Call me Nelson for reference to any comments.

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  63. The representation of Bruce and Alfred in the series (This film particularly) is a travesty to the entire Batman/Bat Family mythos. Bruce would not EVER abandon Gotham and he certainly would not leave the mantle to an untrained and unproven person. Also, The piss poor nod towards Grayson/Drake is laughable at best.

    The representation of the characters in Nolan's Bat-verse shares no resemblance to the Bat-verse I'm familiar with. In my mind, I place the events that occurred during the trilogy on some far off part of DC's multiverse. I really wanted to like this movie and I did enjoy it the first two times I saw it. But unfortunately, the more I think about the movie the more I dislike it.

    Honestly, I have to say this movie has caused me to think less of the entire trilogy. Can't wait to see how Clark get's botched up in MoS.

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  64. Hey robin I know that feeling bro, when the movie finished I was like Wtf. It was not batman! Wtf did I just see? I agree with almost every thing you are saying, batman in this movie was stupid and didn't have plans I mean he didn't feel like Batman! Where was the genius? Where was the worlds biggest detective? Where was the Batman?

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  65. I am not a professional film critic and I approve this message: thank you for hitting every nail on the head in your original post, Mr. Wong.

    I left this movie with a really bad taste in my mouth. As a MOVIE, it was just too easy. Gotham was locked down but clean-shaven police officers could run around during the day and play high and seek with supply trucks? Bruce Wayne is recovering from a broken spine and can take a 30 fall with a rope tied around his torso about 18 times? As a BATMAN movie, it sucked tremendously. C'mon... if you're gonna keep it real, keep it real. Batman having his back broken would have made a lot more sense to me if Bane was actually BANE, the man who actually broke Batman. Bane is on Venom, which makes him a hulking monster. Tom Hardy is Tom Hardy, a beefy guy...whom Batman would tear up on the street (even a League of Shadow member)...but not Bane, if you get my drift. Batman has fought many a foe in his day so having Bane break his back should've felt a lot more triumphant.

    I understand about trying to make this trilogy about the whole "what if these characters were real people" scenario, but they are COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS. THAT is what makes them so awesome. I agree that Batman would not brood over Rachel's death for 8 years. 8 years! Of course he would mourn but he is a hardened man, the World's Greatest Detective, for a vicious reason. And like you said, Gotham City is EVERYTHING to him. In the comics, he did not walk directly into a fight with Bane. Bane waited until Batman was exhausted from rounding up escaped inmates for 3 months, then attacked him. All I'm saying is this...if you're gonna imagine your own scene for this event and have Batman initiate the fight, at least make it badass to the max. He has a TON of tricks up his sleeve and Bane is not an idiot, so the back-breaking scene could have been so much more than what it was.

    These movies (besides Joker (kudos, Heath) in TDK) just didn't really begin to portray how awesome these characters are.

    TDKR just wasn't a Batman movie to me and for that I am disappointed and a little discouraged that so many people actually like it. I am done.

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  66. I am really pleased I'm not the only person who thought this one was the worst film of the three (I liked it less than the schumacker two infact which I never thought I'd say, at least they had this suspension of disbelief I could invest in).

    You have all these things that for a realistic film make no sense, Talia stabs him in the spine with a knife, he's on deaths door, she pulls it out and the next scene he's fine without even a cut in his armour, shouldn't he be paralysed? How come he keeps going from cripple to all powerful with such speed. Where is this pit that they throw him in and how does he get back so quickly (especially seeing as he is broke). Couldn't they of perhaps put him in Arkham? It's much closer to home. How come he knows exactly what cafe to go to at the end?

    Do you really think a supervillain could be arsed to charter a plane to Timbuktu and back before breakfast?

    The biggest and dumbest one for me was how come all those cops came out the sewers after 5 MONTHS completely clean shaven with perfect hair!? And again, why did they need that entrance blowing open for them, didn't they have hands? It's not like they lacked manpower. Where are the people of gotham? It only ever shows cops, villains, orphans,stockbrokers and journalists until the end.

    I was more disappointed with how many characters they seemed to just keep throwing in at the expense of the present ones ,Blake, Tate/Talia (who you could see was a baddie as soon as she appeared) and that cop who was an ass that I can't even remember the name of). Ontop of that they made all the present characters seem out of type, bruce wayne was just some depressive, hell at the end of the last film he'd pretty much gotten over Rachel's death. Alfred kept crying like an old woman without reason, he never had a problem before. Lucius just let him lose most his money without even calling him for 8 years? Come on!

    I did like the new catwoman a lot as she had decent character development (her friend/relative was another useless and excess character), Bane was a letdown and had to understand with the voice filter they used (I'm english and had trouble so god help anyone else) I kept having the feeling the actor was wheeled in to get Tom Hardy fangirls to go and see the film. I will say the last 40 minutes had good pacing and was enjoyable compared to the rest, the scenes in the pit were some of the better ones I thought, it just seemed to drag on too long, and really he got nothing out being in there, it was like they were trying to clone his path through the league of shadows in film 1 as an attempt at character development.

    The previous 2 hours were so incredibly boring for the most part, there was this hope it'd get better (after all the Bane intro was good enough) so to sit through all that filler with filler characters used to pad the film out was unforgiveable, this should of been 1 hour 30, max.

    I can't help but feel this film was written for the Joker (scenes like the plane intro, stock market attack, scarecrow judge, blowing up the football stadium and sewers seem especially Joker esque) and they shoehorned Bane and Tate dually into the role after Ledgers death and added a whole bunch of filler to explain why they are there while retaining the scenes from the previous draft with Bane in the Jokers place, the thing was padded with recycled scene clips and noting stuff from the previous films, it's a shame they didn't have the courage to make it stand alone. I found it odd how every major villain from the previous 2 films made an appearance or was spoken of but the Joker was ignored. I'd rather they'd re cast him.

    Thinking about it the soundtrack was a problem too, I enjoyed it but whoever did the mastering for it needed firing, it drowned out what people were saying at times and kept being played at times which didn't need it.

    It was summed up best by a commenter earlier on, it was an excellent Robin movie, but a terrible Batman movie.

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  67. This movie was so depressing for a batman movie. I mean, even with batman been a sissy, there is no excuse for that ending. The police suicidal battle, the awful action scenes(some bad guys were running into batman with their guns) and batman only won because the victory came free.

    Renan

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  68. I totally agree with your views Robin. This movie sucked big time! After a master piece like The Dark Knight, I can't believe Christopher Nolan ruined everything with the conclusion.

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  69. I just watched this movie and this shit sucked.

    First of all, Batman is gone 8 years are you fucking kidding me?

    He's gone and walking around with a fucking limp? A fucking limp? He willingly walks around with a limp?

    Crying over some bitch? On top of that...he lets his company crumble...then nobody tells him for 8 years, "Uh Bruce, your company has gone to shit, I think you need to do something?"

    But nah, Bruce just stays in his Mansion while his company goes to shit, walking around with a limp so bad, that some bitch kicks his cane and he crumbles to the floor.

    Then he snaps out of it and goes get some gadget and snaps his leg back into place. REALLY.

    Oh and Catwoman, every time he trusts her, he gets his ass kicked, he loses his money, etc.

    Okay, Batman is getting outsmarted and played by some cat burglar? In the comics Bane isn't some grunt, he's a very cold and calculated criminal...but in Nolan's movie...Catwoman is playing Batman left and right.

    Then the fuck time spans is all outta wack. It's taking hours and months and everything else. We are led to believe Bruce gets his back healed up in some middle eastern prisons using rope, does some crunches and pushups and gets out of a cave and goes to Gotham within a day...etc etc...and a bomb is supposed to blow up in 23 days?


    No reason to bother with the rest of the movie, this shit is horrible.

    Nolan's Batman is apparently a gullible, weak-minded rich boy with a vengeance streak and an arsenal full of weapons and he plays pretend hero.

    The comic's Batman is a demented psychopath with a plan for everything and deals out his own brand for justice.

    He wouldn't let some cat burglar trick him 3 times and then go back for a 4th time for her help. He wouldn't like his company go to shit in 8 years over some woman. He would've just worked even harder. He would've figured out Bane's back story, he would've have a database for all this crap and it would've never helped in the first place.

    Batman is Gotham's police force, he's like the CIA, NSA, FBI of Gotham. He practically knows everything about Gotham. This shit wouldn't have happened period.

    Nolan's Batman's are ass, the second one is the best just because the Joker was so authentic. Batman still sucked.

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  70. Robin Wong you are great you're opinions are shared by many. I identified at least 3 of the same flaws and appreciate your observations. My wife and I are now following your blog in the states. Patrick

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  71. Better Movie Plot:

    Catwoman betrays Batman
    Bane breaks Batmans back
    Batman escapes/rescued
    Batman trains Robin while recovering
    Batman and Robin defeat Bane
    Catwoman disappears (as a good cat burglar should)
    Batman retires
    Nightwing Trilogy?

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  72. This movie should have went straight to DVD. Maybe next time they can get Shia Labeouf, or Keanu Reeves to play Batman, or maybe Bobcat Goldtwait.

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  73. U R FUKIN RTARDEAD I HAT U Y U NOT LoV THIs FILM U DIE I SpaK BeTtRe UFuK TArD SUK BALS.....lol no i actually am so relieved that there are a few sane people out in the world who thought the film was ok but not great. i felt it was all the things u said and im not a huge fan, no nothing about comics but love nolan films and i like batman..particularly in recent video games like arkham city which i thought this film ripped off in spades. this film was behind the prestiege and memento and if batman begins was good and tdk was great than this has to be the return of the jedi and only ok.
    it was a bad choice to use bane and then to basically rewrite him and it was a mummmbling contest at one point which like many thematic choices in this and none of his other films was weird and seemed forced.
    catwoman was a ok but not really nec. and so to was his love interest who underminded bane character. the music and sound was all over the place and unlike any other nolan film it was plain annoying or distracting. also the action wasnt that great and again unlike previous nolan films cgi was overused and obvious. the script was laughable at points and the plot meander and often contradicted itself or made little sense at times. the horrible need to use flashbacks and god awful dream sequences was pretty low as was the pg13 violence or lack of in a film trying so hard to be real it was anything but....id go so far to say by the end it could have been a schumacher effort in the 9mm style not batman and robin. the ending was so sad..sad as it was a total sell out ! and basically made me feel stupid and cheap and batman came off as some interchangable chump and alfred looked like an old fool...total audience and fan disservice. so my question is y? y would a good director who made,two very good batman films make,a sack of poo or a substandard effort? i think it was a case of sheer pressure and studio produces making decisions for him due to the cost....i actually felt that the film was far from epic and looked small though it sold big and that came off as cheap while if they had made a much darker, smaller, tighter film it could have rocked....they could even reedit 1 hr out maybe? loose the junk which is pretty obvious. i saw all 3 films at the cinema and no. one laughed in bb, we laughed when we were meant to in tdk but.....we all laughed when we were meant to and...sadly....when we were not meant to in tdkr. i think this kinda indicates there is a serious problem with this film.

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  74. What sucked about DK 2008 was the fact that lets face it... it was all about HEATH LEDGER... he stole the show and widened the gap of interest between the characters... Batman was a complete joke in TDK.

    Bats stepped it up and was less of a joke in TDKR and Bane was great too. For me, this is the most important function in movie making... you have to like all the characters... Selina was the best character in TDKR... much to my delight... I was pleasantly surprised with Hathaway. I'll repeat... Character likability is the most important function of the league of shadows... erm... movie making... you have to like all the characters a similar amount. Heath tipped the scales as the Joker... too much... which took away from my likability of TDK as a whole.

    I'll add in TDKR every character got INSANE character development... Selina got the most... we got to see her change as the film progressed.

    BottomLine.. this is NOLAN BATMAN... not DCU BATMAN... one day, Robin Wong... we will get our DCU Batman... I hold hope Man of Steel will be the first of the DCU Movies.

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    1. Batman is a complete joke in this movie too. Read ALL the reasons again. I hate to repeat myself. Sad to say, nothing about this Batman is admirable.

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  75. This movie was a DISASTER! I'm not completely experienced in all of batman's history, but I do know that this movie was very bad. I can't count how many times people were just staring at batman and not shooting him. Such as the scene when he escapes the police, and they just STARE at him...no one fires a shot even though they tell him to freeze. On the rooftop gunmen surround catwoman but when batman shows up they start to fist fight, with maybe one or two gunmen actually trying to fire a shot. Then when they try to escape from the rooftop *both batman and catwoman* they stand there for a moment talking to each other while men with ak 47s are firing at them from a pretty close distance. Something else that caught my attention was when the police run out to fight the mercenaries. They literally run right at them like idiots, while they get shot at, then suddenly another fist fight ensues..I mean come on, are you kidding me?! Bane was also too small, he's supposed to be much taller and bigger than batman. This is Bane we're talking about. They could have done a better job with his costume too, since all he had on was some weird mask. Doesn't he use venom? I could go on and on, but overall just an incredibly bad movie.

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  76. Bane sounded like Elmer Fudd

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